Baron alliance

[Lost Crusader]

I just had one of my newly conquered city rebelled to Baron alliance, along with the loyal general (8 rings) and a full stack army. I wasn't even notified about the event!
I thought that when a city rebels, its garrison should be kicked out of it, not rebel as well :hmmm:
I also thought that a general cannot desert while inside the city...

Is this how the game was designed, or did something went cuckoo?

[Darkarbiter]

I just had one of my newly conquered city rebelled to Baron alliance, along with the loyal general (8 rings) and a full stack army. I wasn't even notified about the event!
I thought that when a city rebels, its garrison should be kicked out of it, not rebel as well :hmmm:
I also thought that a general cannot desert while inside the city...

Is this how the game was designed, or did something went cuckoo?

It's called a shadow faction. A feature of RTW BI. It's realistic... and adds another challenging and fun gameplay element.

[Sommo James]

I'm at turn 35. Some cities in Irleand has turned rebel, but they didn't become the Baron Alliance? Why?

[Lost Crusader]

I'm at turn 35. Some cities in Irleand has turned rebel, but they didn't become the Baron Alliance? Why?

Who knows? THey don't always join the BA. During my current campaign, I had one city become rebel, and 3 joined the BA.

[Captain Spanky]

I'm at turn 35. Some cities in Irleand has turned rebel, but they didn't become the Baron Alliance? Why?

Which faction are you playing as? Only English held settlements turn into the Barons Alliance when they rebel.

[Darkarbiter]

Which faction are you playing as? Only English held settlements turn into the Barons Alliance when they rebel.

Theres probably a number somewhere that has a the chance of your settlements becoming (if it doesn't exist) or joining (if it does exist) the shadowfaction.

In fact I seem to remember seeing it somewhere... pretty sure it was 100% in BI for joining.

[Lost Crusader]

It's called a shadow faction. A feature of RTW BI. It's realistic... and adds another challenging and fun gameplay element.

Yes, I'm aware of this, and agree that it adds to the gameplay and realism. But I didn't know that a whole garrison with its general (actually it was the army that capture the city - all high experience and high quality troops) can rebel and join the Baron alliance. Especially not the loyal general.

I had cities rebel before, but never with the garrison.

Besides, I would at least expect a "traitor to our people" notification, which I didn't get...

[trench]

I just had one of my newly conquered city rebelled to Baron alliance, along with the loyal general (8 rings) and a full stack army. I wasn't even notified about the event!
I thought that when a city rebels, its garrison should be kicked out of it, not rebel as well :hmmm:
I also thought that a general cannot desert while inside the city...

Is this how the game was designed, or did something went cuckoo?

Havent played England in Brittania campaign - but that sure would make it interesting.

[Pawel The Crusader]

You general probably revolted and the troops and the city with him.

[Metellus]

Well I suppose with a very loyal general it is highly unlikely but still possible he joins the BA.

[Pawel The Crusader]

They gave him an offer he could not refuse

[MunichRules]

The BAron Alliance is only for the english faction.
I think otherwise england could be too overpowered, containing all these territories.
Concerning history , it must have to do something with "Wars of the Roses" in England (1455-85). But game plays much more earlier (1258-).

So i don't know on what "Baron Alliance" is based on ???

[Lusted]

So i don't know on what "Baron Alliance" is based on ???

It's based on the Barons Revolt that led to the Battle of Lewes in 1264 that was led by Simon de Montfort. There was a running history of disputes between the Crown and Barons in England during the Medieval period.

[Boz]

I've had played the Britannia Campaign in short mode, and the Baron's Alliance has never showed up. And the 90 % of city's are with two militia's and with the content 70% - 80 %. Perhaps I was too fast?

[Darkarbiter]

75% does not rebel... however 70% does.

[pwijnands]

In Lost Crusaders case it doesn't make any sense the city rebelled to the Baron's Alliance, since the general in question had 8 loyalty. Too bad the game only checks for settlement order and not for governor loyalty as well.
If you can, load a savegame prior to it and lower taxes, add spies, anything to increase public order in that settlement.

[Lost Crusader]

In Lost Crusaders case it doesn't make any sense the city rebelled to the Baron's Alliance, since the general in question had 8 loyalty. Too bad the game only checks for settlement order and not for governor loyalty as well.
If you can, load a savegame prior to it and lower taxes, add spies, anything to increase public order in that settlement.

I won that game weeks ago, so there's no point lowering the taxes now

You're right about the governors, their authority should have some influence on rebellions.

[FuriousSpurius]

I've never seen the Baron's Alliance pop up in Ireland. I've had the BA emerge very early in my games, but it's always been somewhere on the mainland. I suppose by the time they'd get another chance to emerge I've usually conquered Ireland.

But I've never played as the English yet so I don't really have a long running experience. I've been working as the Irish and the Welsh before, so I've always allied with the BA.

Though when I was playing as the Welsh, I allied with the BA. I eventually defeated England, and then all the BA provinces became the new England (so I had more enemies to fight). But then I got a mission to take a province and turn it over the BA, which I did, and they emerged again and went on a rampage. Pretty cool in my opinion, makes sense too. Apparently after the Baron's took over, some other barons were upset with them and started the revolution all over, heh.

[Ciaran S]

Intresting, when the English faction is destroyed the Baron Alliance changes to English? It makes sense, of course, but I never expected that to work that way.
I wonder, though, playing as England, I´ve had the Baron Alliance emerge (on the Isle of Islay), and even some of my generals joining them, but they don´t seem to do anything. Even Generals who switched sides with a full-stack army never moved anywhere.

[FuriousSpurius]

Not in my game. After I conquered England the first time and BA became the new England, after I captured and gave up the province to the new BA, they started kicking ass across Sussex. They started from one province and managed to sweep out and dominate four more before reaching a ceasfire with the English.

Maybe it's just because they were on the island. I've noticed that the AI isn't terribly interested with island settlements. I've seen a few times where the Byzantines move on Cyprus or the Scots move on the Norweigans, but usually the computer-controlled factions don't move off their islands or onto new ones.