USA and RUSSIA, Stay Out of European Affairs!

[Matty_P]

The recent tug-of-war between the US and Russia is alarming to me. The majority of the tension is probably the result of recent US proposals to install a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe. First of all, I think the US has no right to install anything like that in a European country, even with the consent of the respective countries. It's stupid. Secondly, if the European nations do allow/consent to the installation of the shield's elements, Russia should STFU and and settle down.

I'm tired of Russia disrespecting the sovereign rights of Eastern European and Baltic nations. Russia is not the hegemon of Eastern Europe and should stop acting like it.

It's my opinion that European countries, through the EU, should adopt a more proactive and independent policy. Europe has great potential to act in its own self-interest without the interference of Russia and America. I see both as overstepping their boundaries.

Why hasn't the EU taken a more proactive role in it's defense and foreign policy? What are we waiting for? A strong, unified voice from Europe would likely diffuse the situation between Russia and the US, anyway. The institution of a singular European voice would provide a mediating role between the newly-awakened Russian giant and the Puttering American giant.

It has been the precedent offered by history which alarms me. Russia has always sought to dominate Eastern Europe. My home country of Poland has been a victim of Russia aggression, several times in the past. I fear for Europe as a whole when considering what can happen when things get out of control.

I think that Europe can't afford to simply stay quiet, especially when the US and Russia are throwing threats at each other. If there is going to be another Cold War, Europe needs her own voice.

[HansDuet]

I'm tired of Russia disrespecting the sovereign rights of Eastern European and Baltic nations. Russia is not the hegemon of Eastern Europe and should stop acting like it.

It's my opinion that European countries, through the EU, should adopt a more proactive and independent policy. Europe has great potential to act in its own self-interest without the interference of Russia and America. I see both as overstepping their boundaries.

Why hasn't the EU taken a more proactive role in it's defense and foreign policy? What are we waiting for? A strong, unified voice from Europe would likely diffuse the situation between Russia and the US, anyway. The institution of a singular European voice would provide a mediating role between the newly-awakened Russian giant and the Puttering American giant.

It has been the precedent offered by history which alarms me. Russia has always sought to dominate Eastern Europe. My home country of Poland has been a victim of Russia aggression, several times in the past. I fear for Europe as a whole when considering what can happen when things get out of control.

I think that Europe can't afford to simply stay quiet, especially when the US and Russia are throwing threats at each other. If there is going to be another Cold War, Europe needs her own voice.

Damn straight. I agree.

[Rex Armeniae]

I blame Bush.

[Erax]

I blame King Arsen. And soon .czar will flame us for blaming mother russia!


ONTOPIC: A really good point, time for us to show we still got some balls! :german: :smileybri

[Matty_P]

ONTOPIC: A really good point, time for us to show we still got some balls! :german: :smileybri

*adds smiley with Polish flag*

seriously, the EU is the most populous of the developed nations. It has one of the largest, if not the largest, economy in the world. Why can't we have a strong voice in global affairs, let alone what happens within our own borders? If the EU is going to pretend to be a unified, or organization that promotes European unity, it needs to consider Europe holistically while still taking into account each member state.

As Europeans, we should be able to speak in one voice!

Hey, and Russia needs to be blamed. Russia is an anomaly in my opinion. It is so large and so rich in resources and it still wants to expand it's influence into the nations surrounding it. It's like an imperialist monster!

[Rex Armeniae]

I blame King Arsen. And soon .czar will flame us for blaming mother russia!

I hope he does, dont mess with the east!

[Erax]

Yes, EU definetly should get a grib on herself. I do not understand why Russia and USA take us so.. lightly.

King Arsen, I will never forgive you!

[danzig]

The problem is there is no "European voice" to counter the American and Russian one...despite the EU Europe still does not have a single voice of agreement on issues regarding it and its members. So while Poland might happily endorse the shield and see the economic benefit from it another European country may not. The only solution is to give up ability to set foreign policy by members and that isnt going to happen

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

ONTOPIC: A really good point, time for us to show we still got some balls! :german: :smileybri

We do? Well I had no idea, in case we still do, where the hell have they been all this time?

[Rex Armeniae]

Well, the US is a superpower... I dont like that it can do whatever it wants without thinking about the others allover the world... no superpower should.

Erax, please forgive me *sad puppy eyes*

[Erax]

Well, the US is a superpower... I dont like that it can do whatever it wants without thinking about the others allover the world... no superpower should.

Erax, please forgive me *sad puppy eyes*

And this was coming all the way! YEAH!

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[HansDuet]

They dont take EU seriously because there is still too much problems with EU nations...still lots of work to be done im afraid.

[Matty_P]

So while Poland might happily endorse the shield and see the economic benefit from it another European country may not.

Um? Are you implying Poland actually wants those stupid missiles on our soil? Because we don't. The majority of Poles want nothing to do with America's so-called defensive missile shield.

From what I heard over the summer when I was in Poland was that the Polish government had stopped negotiating the installation and would not allow the US to install their missiles.

What we [Poland] want is for the US and Russia to stop meddling in our affairs.

[danzig]

Um? Are you implying Poland actually wants those stupid missiles on our soil? Because we don't. The majority of Poles want nothing to do with America's so-called defensive missile shield.

Well your government appears to want them, I suggest you take it up with them but then governments do tend to do things against the wishes of their citizens. Id be happy to see my country stop "meddling" in your affairs, frankly I dont see the need for us to take all the heat on such an issue as Im pretty much at the point of to hell with you Europe type of attitude

From what I heard over the summer when I was in Poland was that the Polish government had stopped negotiating the installation and would not allow the US to install their missiles.

Talks from what Ive read in news papers have gone on from May and expected to conclude by the end of the year.

[Matty_P]

i'll never forgive this government if they allow those missiles to be installed!!!!!

[Earl of Rochester]

I don't understand how America is getting attacked for this.

Its something the government of Poland wants, how the hell is this meddling? We aren't forcing anything upon anyone.

Its really pathetic how people just use America as a scapegoat. No wonder our world reputation is bad. We are evil imperialists when we cooperate with allied nations

[cegorach]

Um? Are you implying Poland actually wants those stupid missiles on our soil? Because we don't. The majority of Poles want nothing to do with America's so-called defensive missile shield.

From what I heard over the summer when I was in Poland was that the Polish government had stopped negotiating the installation and would not allow the US to install their missiles.

Wrong. Every major political force is IN FAVOUR of the missile shield, though thanks to the utter incompetence of our 'soon to be ejected' (the 21st October - hopefully) government support to the shield is decreasing.

I am a strong supporter of the entire idea as soon as I learnt about it a couple of years ago and of the entire project and I hope a good informative campaign will be launched when the negotiations will be continued to gain more for Poland and our nation. Thank you.

[Joker85]

Wrong. Every major political force is IN FAVOUR of the missile shield, though thanmks to the utter incometance of our 'soon to be ejected' (21st October - hopefully) governemtn support to the shield is decreasing.

I am a strong supporter of the entire idea, the entire project and I hope a good informative campaign will be launched when the negotiations will be continued to gain more for Poland and our nation. Thank you.

Wait, I thought Matty spoke for every single Polish person in the world. At least that is what he seems to believe. Now I am confused.

[Khan Kong]

I am a strong supporter of the entire idea as soon as I learnt about it a couple of years ago and of the entire project and I hope a good informative campaign will be launched when the negotiations will be continued to gain more for Poland and our nation. Thank you.

What would you gain from it? Except more money in the pockets of Kazcka(sp?) brothers.

[cegorach]

What would you gain from it? Except more money in the pockets of Kazcka(sp?) brothers.

Surely it is ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS BRIBED- I forgot how simple it is !!!

All what I wanted to say about the missile shield I did a dozen of times EARLIER in all those shield-related threads so I am sorry, but I don't really want to waste my time to type it again or search for the quotes from my own posts to answer the question I ahve already answered - also to YOU.