Blackwater faulted in US military reports

[Chaigidel]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/22567


looks like the US military is backing up Iraqi security reports that the blackwater convoy fired without provocation and even slaughtered fleeing civilians.

[LoZz]

these guys really are a disgrace to the special forces units they come from and do not deserve to be even considered passed members for their total lack of discipline and control, something special forces have. ****ing cowboys and before anyone defends them remember these guys will have now caused retaliation attacks on american troops.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I've hered that those security companies are actually causing the US to lose troops by offering them better pay then they would get in the US army.

[Roy Batty]

How are you even drawing conclusions from a report so utterly devoid of detail?

[HansDuet]

How are you even drawing conclusions from a report so utterly devoid of detail?

Indeed. :hmmm:

[LoZz]

How are you even drawing conclusions from a report so utterly devoid of detail?

the shooting is a well documented fact that has been discussed many times before. my view they are guilty as hell would still be the same without this report, but this does help.

[Rex Armeniae]

murderers.

[jankren]

+Rep to US Govt for supporting the right side even if it could hurt its reputation even further.

[Erik]

+Rep to US Govt for supporting the right side even if it could hurt its reputation even further.

The US government is still supporting Blackwater.
It's only some officials in the military who oppose them.

[Kanaric]

I've hered that those security companies are actually causing the US to lose troops by offering them better pay then they would get in the US army.

Its true as amazing as it is.

[Kanaric]

Blackwater is mostly scapegoat, they need anything that attracts attention right now.

[Thanatos]

What do you expect from mercenaries?

[Kiljan Arslan]

Men who would sell out fighting for their country for a buck are in no way trustworthy.

[Thanatos]

Men who would sell out fighting for their country for a buck are in no way trustworthy.

It's like this.

Mercenaries have nothing to defend, nothing to fight for.

They are paid to kill people. You know who people paid to kill people are?

Hitmen. Assassins.

And as the people they kill personally have no qualm of strife against them, their killings are murders.

If you enter a fight to the deathwillingly without any reason to and you kill that man, you've murdered a man.

If a man starts a fight in a bar, and kills somebody, he's committed murder.

Mercenaries are no more than murderers, all of them, and I will NEVER respect or salute anyone who makes a living by killing for money. At least soldiers have something to defend.

[Rapax]

It's like this.

Mercenaries have nothing to defend, nothing to fight for.

Except that most Blackwater contractors are american ex-military who have found a way to serve their country for better pay.

They are paid to kill people. You know who people paid to kill people are?

Soldiers.

Hitmen. Assassins.

Fantasy talk.

And as the people they kill personally have no qualm of strife against them, their killings are murders.

I don't see what personal qualm or strife SGT Johnson has when he's deployed to iraq. You're just opening a can of worms here. If you wanna call contractors (which aren't even full mercenaries) murderers, you can call any soldier a murderer.

If you enter a fight to the deathwillingly without any reason to and you kill that man, you've murdered a man.

Except that contractors provide security and hence act in self defense, that's not murder is it?

If a man starts a fight in a bar, and kills somebody, he's committed murder.

If you're attacked in a bar and kill the man by defending yourself, is it murder?
You realize how weak those examples are if they are twisted so easily.

Mercenaries are no more than murderers, all of them, and I will NEVER respect or salute anyone who makes a living by killing for money. At least soldiers have something to defend.

Learn what contractors are and what they do in iraq before going on a silly rant.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Here Here plus a soldier has a cause greater than themselves.

[Sosobra]

Here Here plus a soldier has a cause greater than themselves.

Are you speaking from personal experience or from the bright eyed perspective of idealism.

Soldiers fight for a myriad of reasons and idealism is not from my experience first on the list. If the US actually payed our troops an decent ****ing wage there wouldn't be an exodus to merc companys. These troops are just taking their skill set and like any other job looking for the best pay. People in the civilian world are not expected to be content with low wages why is a solider considered exempt from this, they have needs just like everyone else.

[Thanatos]

Are you speaking from personal experience or from the bright eyed perspective of idealism.

Soldiers fight for a myriad of reasons and idealism is not from my experience first on the list. If the US actually payed our troops an decent ****ing wage there wouldn't be an exodus to merc companys. These troops are just taking their skill set and like any other job looking for the best pay. People in the civilian world are not expected to be content with low wages why is a solider considered exempt from this, they have needs just like everyone else.

Blame the unions, then. Heaven knows THEY get enough money.

[Sosobra]

Blame the unions, then. Heaven knows THEY get enough money.

I don't see how Labor unions and the Military are connected, beyond you projecting your apparent dislike for them onto the conversation. People in and out of unions are free to find the best market for their skills.

[Thanatos]

I don't see how Labor unions and the Military are connected, beyond you projecting your apparent dislike for them onto the conversation. People in and out of unions are free to find the best market for their skills.

No, no, you misunderstand me.

The problem with the military and payments is that it's either being funneled into endless beauracracy, or there just isn't enough money for everyone.

Consequently, we either take in more money, or channel it from other sources.