Are we really happy when free?

[Vladimir Lenin]

Mankind is never going to be free of hunger, poverty, thirst, disease, or warfare. So then why should they object to Political Dictatorships?

What we must do is throw away our stupid concepts of Liberty, and bury it's putrid corpse.

We must accept the Military as our guide, it will defend and protect us. We must trust our leaders and presidents, for they know more than we they are the blessed of God, their will is as god intends. We need to get children to have strong patriotism for their country with firework shows, military might displays, and large buildings built just to show the world how powerful we are.



Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace.

[Justinian]

George Bush does not know more than me. A dictatorship to be successful requires a dictator who can control his country, for good or bad.

[Vladimir Lenin]

George Bush does not know more than me. A dictatorship to be successful requires a dictator who can control his country, for good or bad.

He does. He has the power of the people. You have the power of only yourself, how do you know your right?

[Ragabash]

You have the power of only yourself, how do you know your right?

And how do you know you are right? You have only power to know your own truth for the subject.

[Earl of Rochester]

Mankind is never going to be free of hunger, poverty, thirst, or warfare.

Completely? Certainly not, however we can drastically reduce all of these. We have actually been reducing them pretty steadily for the past one thousand years. With improving technology and better systems of organization we have every reason to hope this trend will continue.

So then why should they object to Political Dictatorships?

Because political dictatorships will almost invariably lead to more hunger, poverty, thirst, and most of all warfare.

What we must do is throw away our stupid concepts of Liberty, and bury it's putrid corpse.

You say that living in a country were you have tons of liberty. Actually living in a place with no liberty Im positive your position would change.

We must accept the Military as our guide, it will defend and protect us.

It uses up valuable resources of land and labor as well as causing political instability across the globe. The military is not a positive asset of any nation.

We must trust our leaders and presidents, for they know more than we.

They know more? And even if they do, why should I trust them? The problem is not bad moves with good intentions. Its good moves with bad intentions. Most people are selfish, especially in positions of power. Its cliche, but absolute power does corrupt absolutely. A person with the highest IQ that is selfish will make decisions that may benefit them personally, but harm the nation as a whole.

We need to get children to have strong patriotism for their country with firework shows, military might displays, and large buildings built just to show the world how powerful we are.

Why? Because it is? I see no reasoning for this, and I doubt you have any.

Freedom is Slavery

Yes there is the freedom paradox, that one can be enslaved to absolute freedom. But reduction to the ridiculous doesn't mean anything in a debate.

Ignorance is Strength

No it is weakness, it allows one to be manipulated.

War is Peace

I fear you don't understand the word peace.

Peace-state of harmony, absence of hostility.

War is the ultimate hostility, therefore the antithesis to peace

[mongoose]

John Galt, this is about as well executed and thought out as my thread about the police being operated by the government. In other words, you might want to stop now. Now, pretending that this isn't sarcasm . . .

Mankind is never going to be free of hunger, poverty, thirst, or warfare. So then why should they object to Political Dictatorships?

We'll never be completely free of disease, so why not roll around in used tissues? You are basically saying that if we can't have complete freedom we should have no freedom. It's not that black and white; we have to find a balance between anarchy and oppression.





Earl, have you ever read 1984? The lines he used are quoted from that book. They're the motto of the oppressive government in the story.

[Earl of Rochester]

Earl, have you ever read 1984? The lines he used are quoted from that book. They're the motto of the oppressive government in the story.

No, I've read enough future dystopias that I don't think I could handle anymore, but I did kinda figure it was from something like that. The fact that anyone can actually believe such things though is terrifying.

Or perhaps this is satire. PLEASE be satire.

[mongoose]

No, I've read enough future dystopias that I don't think I could handle anymore, but I did kinda figure it was from something like that. The fact that anyone can actually believe such things though is terrifying.

Or perhaps this is satire. PLEASE be satire.

It is satire. John Galt is a libertarian.

Come on guys, even if you've never read any of his posts, shouldn't it still be pretty obvious that when some one is quoting the government of Oceania from 1984 to support their position they aren't being serious?

[Earl of Rochester]

It is satire. John Galt is a libertarian.

Come on guys, even if you've never read any of his posts, shouldn't it still be pretty obvious that when some one is quoting the government of Oceania from 1984 to support their position they aren't being serious?

Well he has said some pretty ridiculous things, so I just assumed he was being serious.

[Scar Face]

Mankind is never going to be free of hunger, poverty, thirst, or warfare.So then why should they object to Political Dictatorships?

Whats your point? Yes, many in Humanity have hard lives, many struggle. That however, does not mean Humanity should sit back and allow its destiny to be controlled by a few Tyrants.

We must accept the Military as our guide, it will defend and protect us.

History has proven otherwise. Military Dictatorships don't look out for its people, they look out for their own power.

We must trust our leaders and presidents,

Trust them blindly? No, we must be ever vigilant and watchful of our Governments, power corrupts.

for they know more than we.

Thats a very naive and troubling view. Just because they rule does not make them intelligent and all knowing.

We need to get children to have strong patriotism for their country with firework shows, military might displays, and large buildings built just to show the world how powerful we are. Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace.

You are advocating we ensure our population is stupid and thoroughly placated by dazzling shows of light, you are advocating we blindly follow our leaders and nation whether or not they lead us into the abyss. Please, do tell me why Ignorance is strength? Ignorance is Ignorance, it keeps the population stupid and unaware, it allows the Government [among others] to manipulate freely.

[Medicus]

I can't believe I'm going to reply.

Galt, your entire point is flayed. The fact you use a quote from 1984, the slogan of the evil, despotic Government of Oceania hurts your argument even further.

[Vladimir Lenin]

You fools! We must bow to the power of the Supreme Leaders, they are the chosen of the lord our God! We must burn the Congress Building and exapnd the White House. We must conquer Canada, Mexico, Central America, then we will begin a conquest of Russia from Alaska. WE MUST TAKE MORE LAND FOR OUR GLORIOUS AMERICAN EMPIRE!

Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. War is Peace.

[Medicus]

You fools! We must bow to the power of the Supreme Leaders, they are the chosen of the lord our God! We must burn the Congress Building and exapnd the White House. We must conquer Canada, Mexico, Central America, then we will begin a conquest of Russia from Alaska. WE MUST TAKE MORE LAND FOR OUR GLORIOUS AMERICAN EMPIRE!

Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. War is Peace.

Galt, you wouldn't happen to be spamming, or worse, trolling?

[Vladimir Lenin]

Galt, you wouldn't happen to be spamming, or worse, trolling?

No, this is a satire piece, however most people seem to believe I for no reason became a fascist...

I was trying to show the ineptitude of the Fascist Creed of believing:

1. Blindly in their Leaders
2. Blindly in their Nation and Nationality.
3. Blind hated of Liberty

That end bit I recently posted was to get those who did'nt realize it was satire, to realize I was'nt being serious.

[mongoose]

No, this is a satire piece, however most people seem to believe I for no reason became a fascist...

I was trying to show the ineptitude of the Fascist Creed of believing:

1. Blindly in their Leaders
2. Blindly in their Nation and Nationality.
3. Blind hated of Liberty

That end bit I recently posted was to get those who did'nt realize it was satire, to realize I was'nt being serious.

1. Be completely honest, when have you seen people on this board who actually expressed a blind following of their leaders? Even most of the conservative Americans on this board often do NOT like George Bush.

2. If anything, I'd say that a lot of socialists are actually extremely critical of their country, especially American ones.

3. As for a the "you hate freedom" one, well, I'm afraid that's getting a little cliche.

Who exactly is this aimed at?

[Vladimir Lenin]

This is aimed at people who have blind faith in their leaders/nations. It's main goal is to attack not people, but Fascism.

And no this is'nt some, point out the obvious evil then bring you all to Rand thread. I think there are enough of those being flamed across the board.

[Garbarsardar]

Mankind is never going to be free of hunger, poverty, thirst, disease, or warfare. So then why should they object to Political Dictatorships?

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Zedong. For starters.

What we must do is throw away our stupid concepts of Liberty, and bury it's putrid corpse.

I am tempted to don a moderator badge for 5 minutes and fulfill your wish.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Zedong. For starters.



I am tempted to don a moderator badge for 5 minutes and fulfill your wish.

Look at the post above yours...

[Garbarsardar]

Look at the post above yours...

Look at the post below yours...

[Sétanta]

Probably not. Ignorance is bliss. Freedom is a burden. Depends on the person, ultimately.

Political freedom is always preferable to dictatorship, though. Just because being a sheeple is easy, doesn't mean it is good.