BROKEN CRESCENT: Questions and Suggestions

[Dr. Jones]

Please include this song for Abassids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHRd4EwF4MI



Ok seriously now, can you give the Mongols some home regions at the edge of the map. So that they can refresh there troops. One castle and one city would be enough, maybe you can think about it.
And consider the song! I cant get it out of my ear

[Heinz Guderian]

Mi posts are totaly ignored.Thanx very much.

Alot of things are possible psihopat. Have you ever looked at these forums?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=331

i think posting there would get you the answers you are looking for. The mod leaders are kinda busy so please dont get upset if they dont respond for a while.

Yes BC can obviously be improved in the future, but asking in a way that reminds me of my nephew when he's sitting in the back of the car when i'm driving is not gonna make the mod leaders more responsive. You show that you've done some leg work and research, and you will see them warm to you.

[PSIHOPAT]

New ideea(sugestion)

Antipersonal catapult
New war machines with other purpose other than to destroy buildings.I make reference to catapults,antipersonal catapults.Anti personal catapults are disigned to throw boulders much faster with incresed acuracy against infantery and almost inefective against stone walls.If the size of the catapults are reduced,boulders used are much smaller,effects is: low reload time and more manouvrable,alowing them to keep step with the army.If original catapults will be smaller,more acurate,with less reload time,with good acuracy against infantry,with incresed speed for travel, with area of atack greatly reduced or removed,than...this is the new weapon named "anti personal war machine(catapult)"

[GrandViZ]

Mi posts are totaly ignored.Thanx very much.

I am not ignoring anyone's posts. But, I have a life too, which means I can't answer every post allways.

Also, you are making a lot of proposals for new features and stuff at a time, where we are still busy fixing bugs. Kinda bad timing.

[PSIHOPAT]

Song is good but wath they speak?
This song can fit in battle when your army slain enemy and your victory is close or when celebrating victory.

[PSIHOPAT]

I am not ignoring anyone's posts. But, I have a life too, which means I can't answer every post allways.
Also, you are making a lot of proposals for new features and stuff at a time, where we are still busy fixing bugs. Kinda bad timing.

Thanx for answer and sory for mi attytude.I hope,all new useful ideeas will not be lost;useful ideeas must be recorded somhwere.

Seed to mi previous post "antipersonal war machine"
If is posibile to import "scorpions" from rome total war will be nice.

[Uandwhosearmy]

Thanx for answer and sory for mi attytude.I hope,all new useful ideeas will not be lost;useful ideeas must be recorded somhwere.

Seed to mi previous post "antipersonal war machine"
If is posibile to import "scorpions" from rome total war will be nice.

Psihopat, you yourself seem to ignore Heinz Guderian's good point about you posting in the general modding subforum. That would be a good place to gather all your suggestions if you fear that they may be "lost".

[Maison]

RE: Hotseat

If you have Retrofit mod or other mods that allow playing hotseat installed, go to: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\retrofit\data\menu .
and copy the datas except textures and splash into the Broken Crescent Menu folder.
Then you must be able to play a hotseat campaign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GREETZ

[PSIHOPAT]

Psihopat, you yourself seem to ignore Heinz Guderian's good point about you posting in the general modding subforum. That would be a good place to gather all your suggestions if you fear that they may be "lost".

1- Many people have useful new and useful ideeas;i dont say mi ideeas are all good
2- I dont ignore anyone.Some people speak in very complex english and that make me unable to undestand exactly wath they say,and dictionary cant be very useful.

P.S. mi engilsh is poor

[Heinz Guderian]

1- Many people have useful new and useful ideeas;i dont say mi ideeas are all good
2- I dont ignore anyone.Some people speak in very complex english and that make me unable to undestand exactly wath they say,and dictionary cant be very useful.

P.S. mi engilsh is poor

You have a creative mind no doubt, and i'm guessing your young. I would collect all your ideas and bounce them off some modders in the mod forums. Then take their suggestions and information and bring them to BC. Research the possibilities yourself and perhaps even try them out. With your enthusiasm for BC, you could be a great asset.

In fact, this is how many great modders here on TWC started out. You definately have the interest and energy, but do you have the patience and dedication?

GrandViz and Strelac are extremely patient and polite people, i think if Miraj was still moderating these forums, he wouldnt be so easy on you.

Just a heads up. Good luck!

[Uandwhosearmy]

1- Many people have useful new and useful ideeas;i dont say mi ideeas are all good
2- I dont ignore anyone.Some people speak in very complex english and that make me unable to undestand exactly wath they say,and dictionary cant be very useful.

P.S. mi engilsh is poor

I didn't say all your ideas were good or bad, I just advised you to follow Guderian's tip.

[PSIHOPAT]

You have a creative mind no doubt, and i'm guessing your young. I would collect all your ideas and bounce them off some modders in the mod forums. Then take their suggestions and information and bring them to BC. Research the possibilities yourself and perhaps even try them out. With your enthusiasm for BC, you could be a great asset.
In fact, this is how many great modders here on TWC started out. You definately have the interest and energy, but do you have the patience and dedication?
GrandViz and Strelac are extremely patient and polite people, i think if Miraj was still moderating these forums, he wouldnt be so easy on you.
Just a heads up. Good luck!

1-i'm not too youg(child) as you think 30 years is far to characterize one person like a child
2-i am not interested to enter in any team or to have any function in any forum
3-alwais i say mi ideeas and in some cases make mistake because i dont wait favourable moment or dont keep mi mouth shut(i cant that)
4-anyone can use mi ideeas free or to drop them at the garbage
5-i dont have patience - i am impulsiv character
6-i hope i dont make mistake undestanding wath you have written
7-i hope i'm enough clear

P.S. I just love Total-War and Broken Crescent mod
Good luck BC team for the future.

[Neige]

p.s. Apart from a few ctd's, this mod is simply stunning!


Some problems are present though:

--Why does jannisary infantry have a shield and an axe in their left hand. have you ever tried swinging an axe with a shield on the same hand? It's not that easy and it looks akward. It should be removed.

--Why is spacing between men in units so wide. Even with tight formation?? That is very very uncool.
SEE THIS PIC

--Infantry starts charging much too fast. Charge often brakes down because units get confused by objects like trees and rocks. Witch sucks hard. Charging must start much later.

[Uandwhosearmy]

--Why is spacing between men in units so wide. Even with tight formation?? That is very very uncool.
SEE THIS PIC

Your picture shows Frontiersmen, am I right? Skirmishers have wider unit spacing than for instance spearmen from what I've seen, and my guess is this has been done to make them more vulnerable to charging cavalry as well as lower their overall staying power in melee. This is a good thing in my opinion.

[Neige]

Yes they are frontierment. But elite unit spacing is also way too wide. PIC.


Also I can't seem to find descr_formations.txt file. Only formations_ai file is in the data folder. Is that supposed to be like that?

[Uandwhosearmy]

Yes they are frontierment. But elite unit spacing is also way too wide. PIC.


Also I can't seem to find descr_formations.txt file. Only formations_ai file is in the data folder. Is that supposed to be like that?

Look at spearmen and Pikemen, their unit spacing is much tighter. To me it's obvious:

- Tight unit spacing makes a unit less vulnerable to cavalry charges (and I would assume to infantry charges).

- Spearmen and Pikemen have tight spacing because of this, and because their purpose is to "hold the line".

- Swordsmen, axemen and other melee infantry as well as skirmishers and archers have looser formations to make them more vulnerable to cavalry and to increase the importance of including different types of units in any field army.

Again, this is a good thing in my opinion.

[Neige]

Hmm.. you are right. Spearman units are much tighter... I guess it is a good thing, but I just hate how it looks. Well.. I suppose I can live with that.

[GrandViZ]

Hmm.. you are right. Spearman units are much tighter... I guess it is a good thing, but I just hate how it looks. Well.. I suppose I can live with that.

Formations are absolutely realistic as they are now. You can't expect tight formations on swordsmen or axemen, they need space to swing their weapons. Also, have you ever tried to throw a javelin out of a tight formation?

[Neige]

Yes, yes, it makes sense. I get it. But there are some other issues that I have discovered. After a few hours of testing Ayyubid units vs Jerusalem units I have found that they are very unballanced.

Testing I've done:
All on grassy plain map. Normal unit size. Infantry/cavalry charging at each other. Missiles fireing at each other only when both are in each others range. Done all battles twice and the results were all the same with small differences.


Results:

1. Mamluk Tabardariyah VS 7 units of Sergent spearmen. Mamluks won with 20 men lost. It was 74 (mamluks) vs 525 men and Jerusalem lost 432 men, the rest routed... I think that's just not realistic.


2. Latin crossbowmen VS mamluk heavy archers. Latin crossbows won with little casualties, although their recruitment price is 2x smaller then mamluk heavy archers.

3. Dismounted Askaris VS Dismounted templars. Askaris lost half their men but killed all templars. Templar cost - 1004. Askaris cost - 412

4. Dismounted Tawashi VS Dism. Hospitaller Brother-Knights. Knights lost every single man, but Tawashi lost 27 of 51 men. Knights cost 1004, Tawashi cost 540.

5. Thaqlah infantry VS Dism. Knights of Jerusalem. Knights lost all men, but Thaqlah lost NOTHING. Knights cost freaking 1476, but thaqlah only 475...



Costs, availability or number of men (or all of these factors) might need some adjustments.

[Cromagnon2]

Good findings archer9 +rep.

And then consider that a spear is a very effective hand to hand weapon, not only meant to counter cavalry.
Tahqah vs Dism. Knights of J. seems wrong, rest too

edit:

Does a unit of mamluks have as much men (75) as a unit of spearmen?