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    Russia is far from oil's peak
    By F William Engdahl

    The good news is that panic scenarios about the world running out of oil any time soon are wrong. The bad news is that the price of oil is going to continue to rise. "Peak Oil" is not our problem. Politics is. Big Oil wants to sustain high oil prices. US Vice President Dick Cheney and friends are all too willing to assist.

    On a personal note, I've researched questions of petroleum since the first oil shocks of the 1970s. I was intrigued in 2003 with something called the Peak Oil theory. It seemed to explain the



    otherwise inexplicable decision by Washington to risk all in a military move on Iraq.

    Peak Oil advocates, led by former BP geologist Colin Campbell and Texas banker Matt Simmons, argued that the world faced a new crisis, an end to cheap oil, or Absolute Peak Oil, perhaps by 2012, perhaps by 2007. Oil was supposedly on its last drops. They pointed to soaring gasoline and oil prices and to the declines in output of the North Sea, Alaska and other fields as proof they were right.

    According to Campbell, the fact that no new North Sea-size fields had been discovered since the North Sea in the late 1960s was proof. He reportedly managed to convince the International Energy Agency and the Swedish government. That, however, does not prove him correct.

    Intellectual fossils?
    The Peak Oil school rests its theory on conventional Western geology textbooks, most by American or British geologists, which claim oil is a "fossil fuel", a biological residue or detritus of either fossilized dinosaur remains or perhaps algae, hence a product in finite supply. Biological origin is central to Peak Oil theory, used to explain why oil is only found in certain parts of the world where it was geologically trapped millions of years ago.

    That would mean that dinosaur remains became compressed and over tens of millions of years fossilized and were trapped in underground reservoirs perhaps 1,200-2,000 meters below the surface of the Earth. In rare cases, so goes the theory, huge amounts of biological matter should have been trapped in rock formations in the shallower ocean regions such as in the Gulf of Mexico or North Sea or Gulf of Guinea. Geology should be only about figuring out where these pockets in the layers of the earth, called reservoirs, lie within certain sedimentary basins.

    An entirely alternative theory of oil formation has existed since the early 1950s in Russia, almost unknown to the West. It claims that the conventional US biological-origins theory is an unscientific absurdity that is unprovable. They point to the fact that Western geologists have repeatedly predicted finite oil over the past century, only then to find more, lots more.

    Not only has this alternative explanation of the origins of oil and gas existed in theory, the emergence of Russia as the world's largest oil and natural-gas producer has been based on the application of the theory in practice. This has geopolitical consequences of staggering magnitude.

    Necessity the mother of invention
    In the 1950s, the Soviet Union faced "Iron Curtain" isolation from the West. The Cold War was in high gear. Russia had little oil to fuel its economy. Finding sufficient oil indigenously was a national-security priority of the highest order.

    Scientists at the Institute of the Physics of the Earth of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Geological Sciences of the Ukraine Academy of Sciences began a fundamental inquiry in the late 1940s: Where does oil come from?
    In 1956, Professor Vladimir Porfir'yev announced their conclusions: "Crude oil and natural petroleum gas have no intrinsic connection with biological matter originating near the surface of the Earth. They are primordial materials which have been erupted from great depths."

    The Soviet geologists had turned Western orthodox geology on its head. They called their theory of oil origin the "abiotic" theory - non-biological - to distinguish it from the Western biological theory of origins.

    If they were right, oil supply on Earth would be limited only by the amount of organic hydrocarbon constituents present deep in the Earth at the time of the planet's formation. Availability of oil would depend only on technology to drill ultra-deep wells and explore into the Earth's inner regions. They also realized that old fields could be revived to continue producing, so-called self-replenishing fields. They argued that oil is formed deep in the Earth, formed in conditions of very high temperature and very high pressure, like that required for diamonds to form.

    "Oil is a primordial material of deep origin which is transported at high pressure via 'cold' eruptive processes into the crust of the Earth," Porfir'yev stated. His team dismissed the idea that oil is is biological residue of plant and animal fossil remains as a hoax designed to perpetuate the myth of limited supply.

    Defying conventional geology
    The radically different Russian and Ukrainian scientific approach to the discovery of oil allowed the USSR to develop huge gas and oil discoveries in regions previously judged unsuitable, according to Western geological exploration theories, for the presence of oil. The new petroleum theory was used in the early 1990s, well after the dissolution of the USSR, to drill for oil and gas in a region believed for more than 45 years to be geologically barren - the Dnieper-Donets Basin in the region between Russia and Ukraine.

    Following their abiotic or non-fossil theory of the deep origins of petroleum, the Russian and Ukrainian petroleum geophysicists and chemists began with a detailed analysis of the tectonic history and geological structure of the crystalline basement of the Dnieper-Donets Basin. After a tectonic and deep structural analysis of the area, they made geophysical and geochemical investigations.

    A total of 61 wells were drilled, of which 37 were commercially productive, an extremely impressive exploration success rate of almost 60%. The size of the field discovered compared to the North Slope of Alaska. By contrast, US wildcat drilling was considered to have a 10% success rate. Nine of 10 wells are typically "dry holes".

    That Russian geophysics experience in finding oil and gas was tightly wrapped in the usual Soviet veil of state security during the Cold War era, and was largely unknown to Western geophysicists, who continued to teach fossil origins and, hence, the severe physical limits of petroleum. But slowly it begin to dawn on some strategists in and around the Pentagon well after the 2003 Iraq war that the Russian geophysicists might be on to something of profound strategic importance.

    If Russia had the scientific know-how and Western geology did not, Russia possessed a strategic trump card of staggering geopolitical import. It was not surprising that Washington would go about erecting a "wall of steel" - a network of military bases and anti-missile shields around Russia to cut its pipeline and port



    links to western Europe, China and the rest of Eurasia.

    English geographer and geopolitician Halford Mackinder's worst nightmare - a cooperative convergence of mutual interests of the major states of Eurasia, born of necessity and need for oil to fuel economic growth - was emerging. Ironically, it was the blatant US grab for the vast oil riches of Iraq and, potentially, of Iran that catalyzed closer cooperation between traditional Eurasian foes, China and Russia, and a growing realization in western Europe that their options too were narrowing.

    The peak king
    Peak Oil theory is based on a 1956 paper by the late Marion King Hubbert, a Texas geologist working for Shell Oil. He argued that oil wells produced in a bell-curve manner, and once their "peak" was hit, inevitable decline followed. He predicted that US oil production would peak in 1970. A modest man, he named the production curve he invented Hubbert's Curve, and the peak as Hubbert's Peak. When US oil output began to decline in about 1970, Hubbert gained a certain fame.

    The only problem was, it peaked not because of resource depletion in the US fields. It "peaked" because Shell, Mobil, Texaco and the other partners of Saudi Aramco were flooding the US market with dirt-cheap imports from the Middle East, tariff-free, at prices so low California and many Texas domestic producers could not compete and were forced to shut their wells.

    Vietnam success
    While the US oil multinationals were busy controlling the easily accessible large fields of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran and other areas of cheap, abundant oil during the 1960s, the Russians were busy testing their alternative theory. They began drilling in a supposedly barren region of Siberia. There they developed 11 major oilfields and one giant field based on their deep abiotic geological estimates. They drilled into crystalline basement rock and hit black gold of a scale comparable to the Alaska North Slope.

    They then went to Vietnam in the 1980s and offered to finance drilling costs to show that their new geological theory worked. Russian company Petrosov drilled in Vietnam's White Tiger oilfield offshore into basalt rock some 5,000 meters down and extracted 6,000 barrels a day of oil to feed the energy-starved Vietnam economy. In the USSR, abiotic-trained Russian geologists perfected their knowledge and the Soviet Union emerged as the world's largest oil producer by the mid-1980s. Few in the West understood why, or bothered to ask.

    Dr J F Kenney is one of the only Western geophysicists who has taught and worked in Russia, studying under Vladilen Krayushkin, who developed the huge Dnieper-Donets Basin. Kenney told me in a recent interview that "alone to have produced the amount of oil to date that [Saudi Arabia's] Ghawar field has produced would have required a cube of fossilized dinosaur detritus, assuming 100% conversion efficiency, measuring 19 miles [30.5 kilometers] deep, wide and high." In short, an absurdity.

    Western geologists do not bother to offer hard scientific proof of fossil origins. They merely assert their belief as a holy truth. The Russians have produced volumes of scientific papers, most in Russian. The dominant Western journals have no interest in publishing such a revolutionary view. Careers, entire academic professions are at stake, after all.

    Closing the door
    The 2003 arrest of Russian Mikhail Khodorkovsky, of Yukos Oil, took place just before he could sell a dominant stake in Yukos to ExxonMobil after a private meeting with Cheney. Had Exxon gotten the stake, it would have had control of the world's largest resource of geologists and engineers trained in the abiotic techniques of deep drilling.

    Since 2003, Russian scientific sharing of knowledge has markedly lessened. Offers in the early 1990s to share knowledge with US and other oil geophysicists were met with cold rejection, according to American geophysicists involved.

    Why then the high-risk war to control Iraq? For a century, US and allied Western oil giants have controlled world oil via control of Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Nigeria. Today, as many giant fields are declining, the companies see the state-controlled oilfields of Iraq and Iran as the largest remaining base of cheap, easy oil.

    With the huge demand for oil from China and now India, it becomes a geopolitical imperative for the United States to take direct military control of those Middle East reserves as fast as possible. Cheney came to the job of vice president from Halliburton Corp, the world's largest oil-geophysical-services company. The only potential threat to that US control of oil just happens to lie inside Russia and with the now-state-controlled Russian energy giants.

    According to Kenney, Russian geophysicists used the theories of brilliant German scientist Alfred Wegener fully 30 years before Western geologists "discovered" Wegener in the 1960s. In 1915, Wegener published the seminal text The Origin of Continents and Oceans, which suggested an original unified landmass or Pangaea more than 200 million years ago that separated into present continents by what he called continental drift.

    Up to the 1960s, supposed US scientists such as Dr Frank Press, the White House science adviser, referred to Wegener as "lunatic". Geologists at the end of the 1960s were forced to eat their words as Wegener offered the only interpretation that allowed them to discover the vast oil resources of the North Sea.

    Perhaps in some decades Western geologists will rethink their mythology of fossil origins and realize what the Russians have known since the 1950s. In the meantime, Moscow holds a massive energy trump card.
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/II27Ag01.html
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    It is more likely that oil and natural gas are formed in both manners rather than just one or the other. Most known oil reserves originated in limestone reef depoits and were formed not from 'dinosaur detritus' but from the bodies of small foramenifera and coral producing life forms that produce reefs. Similar to the formation of coal from th vegetation of the great swamps and forests of ancient times.

    It is also possible that oil found in fractured basalt and other basement igneous rocks may have migrated there from underlyiing and/or adjacent limestone formations.

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    First of all, according to some estimates, we have already passed peak oil production. It's not some speculative theory that we're going to run low on cheap oil, it's happening right now.[*]Oil companies do not, contrary to popular belief, mark up oil greatly. In fact, no business with competition does. If they did, they would sell less than their competitors, who would undercut them on price.

    Oil is an international commodity controlled by many different countries that are frequently at odds with each other politically. Saudi Arabia, Russia, Norway, Iran, Nigeria, the UAE, and Venezuela (the top seven oil producers) mostly have wildly diverging interests and are not likely to be in a price-fixing plot, other than OPEC (which is ineffective anyway).

    The simple fact is, supply is skyrocketing as always and oil production is not currently increasing to accompany it. Supply and demand: there's not enough oil to go around, so prices will rise. It might be nice to pretend that when things become expensive it's the fault of evil corporations, but the fact of the matter is that most businesses in a free market run on slim margins so that they can compete. When your product is completely identical to that of your competitors, as with processed oil, you have no choice but to compete on price, if you can't arrange price-fixing. And OPEC is not going to agree with Norway and Russia on price-fixing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simetrical View Post
    First of all, according to some estimates, we have already passed peak oil production. It's not some speculative theory that we're going to run low on cheap oil, it's happening right now
    Case in point, the tar sands development in Northern Alberta. Very expensive oil to take out of the ground. They have been developing the area for over 20 years with a lot of help from the government. It's only now that the price of oil is so high, that the project really is feasible on its own.
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    People thought we were running out of oil about a quarter century ago when gas prices were even higher than they are now. This happens every time there's a conflict in the Middle East, so this isn't something that generations old enough have never seen before.
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    Dr J F Kenney is one of the only Western geophysicists who has taught and worked in Russia, studying under Vladilen Krayushkin, who developed the huge Dnieper-Donets Basin. Kenney told me in a recent interview that "alone to have produced the amount of oil to date that [Saudi Arabia's] Ghawar field has produced would have required a cube of fossilized dinosaur detritus, assuming 100% conversion efficiency, measuring 19 miles [30.5 kilometers] deep, wide and high." In short, an absurdity.
    This caught my eye, if those numbers are true then the "western" theory on the matter certainly has a few holes in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathias View Post
    This caught my eye, if those numbers are true then the "western" theory on the matter certainly has a few holes in it.
    Ghawar oil field has produced 60 billion barrels, which equals 7.04086595 cubic kilometers of crude, according to google calculator.

    [edit] which is a bit short of 28,372.625 (30.5*30.5*30.5)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurius View Post
    Ghawar oil field has produced 60 billion barrels, which equals 7.04086595 cubic kilometers of crude, according to google calculator.

    [edit] which is a bit short of 28,372.625 (30.5*30.5*30.5)
    So the articel lied about the numbers then... Can't say it comes as a shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurius View Post
    Ghawar oil field has produced 60 billion barrels, which equals 7.04086595 cubic kilometers of crude, according to google calculator.

    [edit] which is a bit short of 28,372.625 (30.5*30.5*30.5)
    Organic matter won't form oil at a 1 to 1 rate.
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    Here is the wikipedia article on Abiogenic petroleum origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Organic matter won't form oil at a 1 to 1 rate.
    Certainly not, no. I never made that claim.

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    "assuming 100% conversion efficiency"

    but they sortof suggested it, and a ratio of roughly 1/4000 is 0.025% in this case, if I'm not mistaken.

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    That article by F. William Engdahl is very vague and written by someone that grabbed bits and pieces of info. to give a complete goop of a story on Russian oil exploration and the formation of oil itself. In fact, western oil exploration techniques were ahead of the soviets and are ahead f russia's, although there has been sharing of info. Finding oil at 5,000 meters depth is not all that unusual, and as an example of great depth the Mississippii River Delta Lobe is estimated to have sediments 50,000-feet deep. Finding oil in what would have to be very fractured igneous rock is not a new discovery, if that igneous rock has intruded or been overlain on top of oil bearing limestone reef etc. and calcareous sandstone formations. He uses offshore oil deposits near Vietnam as an example, yet fails to mention that Indochina and the Annamese Cordillera were once an Island Arc like Japan with an active subduction zone. Along such a subduction zone rock formations are fractured, volcanism occurs, and rock and sediment formations are also compressed and thrust upward forming mountain ranges composed of limestone, sandstone and shale flat-irons and volcanics caused by the subducting and melting oceanic plate that in this case was beneath the warm, shallow, limestone reef inducing/producing South China Sea. The Annamese Codillera in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos is formed of upthrust limestone, sandstone and shale and also volcanics due to these geologic processes. Oil is found both offshore and onshore in Vietnam, and we actually drove through some onshore oil fields in 1994. One of the largest offshore fields was the Black Tiger field I do believe, and not the White Tiger field (I have info. on this but it is has been sometime since I looked at it, and the info.. is on the inet., and Icould be mistaken about the name of the field, although both Black and White Tiger fileds may exist). Most of the Vietnamese exploration has been done by western oil companies and they have been very successful, and the Soviet/Russian exploration has not been as large but is still very significant, and this was the case in the 1990's.

    Migration of oil and natural gas from limestone formations where it is formed into overlying and adjacent sandstone formations is normal, and sometimes the oil may migrate into very fractured igneous rock that has been intruded above or into the oil bearing sedimntary formations. In a subduction zone, you can have quite a jumbled, fractured, subducted and obducted or upthrust and overthrust masses of sediments, intrusive igneous material and resultant metasediments, and basaltic oceanic plate material and sheets or pieces.

    It is impossible to say if peak oil production has been reached, since not all oil deposits have yet been discovered and many existing fields haven't been drilled yet. Point is that oil is a finite resource, so it will gone eventually. USA has actually closed producing oil wells over the years when the price of oil was low. Many small fields were closed or not even drilled, along with some larger fields. These closed and untapped fields and wells will of course be put into production over time.

    Those people that scoff at alternate and partial energy resources are a bit off the deep end, because these sources of energy will supply a good percentage of our future energy.

    Search for: Island Arc, Annamese Codillera, formation of oil, etc. on your search engine for more info.

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    "Microbial evidence from petroleum geochemistry
    If the above mechanism for microbial petroleum genesis is active and prevalent within the Earth crust and the theory holds true, the geochemistry of petroleum deposits within the Earth’s crust should reflect this mechanism of formation.

    The geochemistry of petroleum deposits has been widely and deeply studied by oil companies and academia for more than a century in order to elucidate the origin of petroleum and develop predictive scientific models. Certain findings of this research can be used to interpret petroleum as being either of biogenic or abiogenic origin. These include biomarker chemicals, the optical activity of oils, chirality and the trace metal abundances of oils.

    Geological framework
    The proposed mechanism for abiogenic petroleum production is robust in theory, leaving aside ambiguous geochemical evidence. The abiogenic theory on the origin of petroleum seeks to explain the origin of commercial accumulations of petrochemicals via chemical mechanisms such as serpentinite catalysis.

    The geological observations which are used to support the abiogenic origin of petrochemical deposits should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis for each hydrocarbon deposit, with the presence of no one line of evidence used in isolation to infer genetic conclusions when equivocal or contradictory evidence is available.

    The geological observations proposed for the abiogenic theory are presented below, followed by investigation of several key deposits on a case by case basis to evaluate their genesis.

    Example abiogenic deposits
    Supergiant fields such as the Athabasca Tar Sands (Canada), Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt (Venezuela) and the Ghawar Field (Saudi Arabia) are good examples that have been interpreted as having been formed by abiogenic oils. This interpretation is based mostly on perceived deficiency in source rock volumes.

    Panhandle-Hugoton field (Anadarko Basin) in Texas-Oklahoma, USA is the most important gas field with commercial helium content.

    The White Tiger oil field in Vietnam has been proposed as an example of abiogenic oil because it is 4,000 m of fractured basement granite, at a depth of 5,000 m. [28]. However, others argue that it contains biogenic oil which leaked into the basement horst from conventional source rocks within the Cuu Long basin

    The geological argument for abiogenic oil
    Given the known occurrence of methane and the probable catalysis of methane into higher atomic weight hydrocarbon molecules, the abiogenic hypothesis considers the following to be key observations in support;


    Oil deposits are associated with tectonic structuresThe serpentinite synthesis, graphite synthesis and spinel catalysation models prove the process is viable [12][17]
    The association of oil deposits with key tectonic structures and plate boundaries, generally in arcs
    The likelihood that abiogenic oil seeping up from the mantle is trapped beneath sediments which effectively seal mantle-tapping faults [16]
    Kudryavtsev's Rule that states petroleum can be found in all layers of a sedimentary basin; subsequently proven to be of limited application; it has also been stated as applying to hydrocarbon deposits, including natural gas, petroleum, and coal. Nikolai Kudryavtsev pointed that the eruptions of mud-volcanoes have liberated such large quantities of methane that even the most prolific gasfield underneath should have been exhausted long ago and also provided several other geological arguments about abiotic and deep origin of petroleum.
    Mass-balance calculations for supergiant oilfields which argue that the calculated source rock could not have supplied the reservoir with the known accumulation of oil, implying deep recharge (Kudryavtsev, 1951)
    Ubiquitous presence of nickel and vanadium (Ni, V) in all oils of the world. Also including other trace elements such as Zn, Pb, Cu, Cd, Cr, Co, As, Sb, Te, Hg, Au, Ag. All these trace-elements settings are related to mantle rocks (dunite/peridotite and serpentinites).
    Common association of helium with hydrocarbons, mainly with methane and nitrogen in gas fields.

    [edit] Incidental evidence
    The proponents of abiogenic oil use several arguments which draw on a variety of natural phenomena in order to support the hypothesis

    The ubiquitous presence of carbon, methane, ammonia and a variety of amino acids within extraterrestrial bodies such as meteorites, comets and on several moons within the Solar System. The Earth acquired a lot of carbon during its creation.
    However, Earth has several anomalies which indicate a complex past which may have affected primordial material. The formation of the Moon was a geologically significant event. Unexplained ratios of elements suggest material has been lost, perhaps through gases being lost to space and through collisional erosion. [30] However this argument is found to be highly speculative by some.
    The modelling of some researchers which shows the Earth was accreted at relatively low temperature, thereby perhaps preserving primordial carbon deposits within the mantle, to drive abiogenic hydrocarbon production [31]
    The presence of natural gas eruptions, flames and explosions during earthquakes and during some volcanic eruptions, mainly in mud volcanoes.
    The presence of vast quantities of methane hydrate (methane clathrate) within deep pelagic oozes within the oceans of the Earth, cited as evidence of abiogenic methane generation from serpentinitisation of the oceanic crust.
    The presence of continuous methane upwelling through gas chimneys (gas vent) in oceans forming pockmark features, cold seeps, methane related diagenetic carbonates, bentonic ecosystems such as cold-water corals (deep-water corals), methane flares from sea bottom, shale diapirs formed by gas interaction, submarine and terrestrial mud-volcanoes. It is important to note that bacterial reworking of primordial methane that come from great depths yield biogenic methane at shallow levels in crust
    The presence of methane within the gases and fluids of mid-ocean ridge spreading centre hydrothermal fields[32]
    The presence of intraplate earthquakes and deep focus earthquakes, apparently caused by movement of vast quantities of mantle methane and hydrocarbons
    The presence of tiny diamondoids in oils, gas and mainly in condensates. Diamondoids probably form at high pressures in the earth's mantle and they migrate together with oil and gas to low pressures in the crust.[citation needed]

    [edit] The geological argument against
    Key arguments against chemical reactions, such as the serpentinite mechanism, as being the major source of hydrocarbon deposits within the crust are;

    The lack of available pore space within rocks as depth increases
    This is contradicted by numerous studies which have documented the existence of hydrologic systems operating over a range of scales and at all depths in the continental crust. [33]
    The presence of no commercial hydrocarbon deposits within the crystalline shield areas of the major cratons especially around key deep seated structures which are predicted to host oil by the abiogenic theory [23]
    Limited evidence that major serpentinite belts underlie continental sedimentary basins which host oil
    Lack of conclusive proof that carbon isotope fractionation observed in crustal methane sources is entirely of abiogenic origin (Lollar et al. 2006)[3]
    Mass balance problems of supplying enough carbon dioxide to serpentinite within the metamorphic event before the peridotite is fully reacted to serpentinite
    Drilling of the Siljan Ring failed to find commercial quantities of gas[23], thus providing a counter example to Kudryavtsev's Rule and failing to locate the predicted abiogenic gas
    Helium in the Siljan Gravberg-1 well was depleted in 3He and not consistent with a mantle origin[34]
    The distribution of sedimentary basins is caused by plate tectonics, with sedimentary basins forming on either side of a volcanic arc, which explains the distribution of oil within these sedimentary basins
    Kudryavtsev's Rule has been explained for oil and gas (not coal): Gas deposits which are below oil deposits can be created from that oil or its source rocks. Because natural gas is less dense than oil, as kerogen and hydrocarbons are generating gas the gas fills the top of the available space. Oil is forced down, and can reach the spill point where oil leaks around the edge(s) of the formation and flows upward. If the original formation becomes completely filled with gas then all the oil will have leaked above the original location.[35]

    [edit] Arguments against the incidental evidence
    Gas ruptures during earthquakes are more likely to be sourced from biogenic methane generated in unconsolidated sediment from existing organic matter, released by earthquake liquefaction of the reservoir during tremors
    The presence of methane hydrate is arguably produced by bacterial action upon organic detritus falling from the littoral zone and trapped in the depth due to pressure and temperature
    The likelihood of vast concentrations of methane in the mantle is very slim, given mantle xenoliths have negligible methane in their fluid inclusions; conventional plate tectonics explains deep focus quakes better, and the extreme confining pressures invalidate the theory of gas pockets causing quakes
    Further evidence is the presence of diamond within kimberlites and lamproites which sample the mantle depths proposed as being the source region of mantle methane (by Gold et al). [13] It is arguable from oxygen fugacity and carbon phase stability models that reduced carbon in the mantle is either in the form of graphite or diamond, not methane, and that oxidized carbon is present as carbon dioxide.[citation needed]

    [edit] Petroleum origin, peak oil, and politics
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    Many aspects of the abiogenic theory were developed in the former Soviet Union by Russian and Ukrainian scientists during the Cold War. Some proponents see a pro-Western bias in the promotion of the biogenic theory. Thus, in addition to the scientific merits of competing hypothoses, political and economic considerations often influence discussions of petroleum origins.

    The topic of the origin of petroleum is also linked to discussions of projected declines in petroleum production, variously referred to as "peak oil" or "Hubbert's peak". The abiogenic theory stands in contrast to that of Peak Oil, which presumes a fixed and dwindling supply of oil that was formed through biological processes.

    Some environmentalists accuse abiogenic theory supporters of a "cornucopian" worldview. They claim that such a view incorrectly sees no limits to exploitation of petroleum supplies while simultaneously ignoring potential consequences of petroleum consumption such as global warming. Conversely, some supporters of the abiogenic theory accuse their opponents of an unwarranted Malthusian viewpoint that needlessly limits the use of hydrocarbons as an energy source and artificially inflates oil prices.


    U.S. hydrocarbon wells deeper than 4.5 km in sedimentary deposits. (USGS 1997)Independent of whether massive hydrocarbon reserves exist deep in the crust, they are unattainable in the short term. Additionally, oil wells are being drilled down to depths of 10 km, just shy of the world record of 12 km set by the Kola Superdeep Borehole in the East European Craton. Thus the "deep reservoirs" of Gold et al. are being tested successfully according to biogenic models of petroleum occurrence.

    Considering the dominance of the biogenic origin theory in the exploration industry, new oil discoveries based on abiogenic theory may be slow in coming. The ASPO predicts that global oil production will peak in 2011, while some other organizations such as the USGS pick as late as 20 years later. If that happened, there would be serious economic ramifications. For this reason, as well as concerns about global warming, development of nuclear power and renewable energy sources is being increasingly urged.

    These aspects of the controversy may be seen in many of the online articles in the External links section below."

    Pros and cons summed-up from the article, and it may be thatoil is produced in both processes.

    Also, at the end, note that 'peak oil' is estimeated between the years 2011 and twenty years later in 2031', but these are estimates only of course of known oil reserves with perhaps estimates of further recoverable oil deposits thrown in the equation I do believe.

    Also, at the end of the excerpt, note the reference to the necessary and increased use and R&D of alternate fuels and energy producing processes.

    Interesting as heck, and I hope that this abiogenic theory is at least partially true, and that our deep drilling technology improves.

    Save your pet-poop etc. for your neighborhood methane producing plant.

    Chris

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    Default Re: Russia is far from oil's peak (oil isn't a fossil fuel)

    We found unfossilized sawfish/sawbillfish bones that were millions of years old in shale deposits (a well known giant shale deposit that I presently forget the name of) along the west bank of the Miss. River. They were buried in the shale, not on the surface.

    Those bones were protected from decay by the shale, and the conditins were not right for mineral replacement and fossilization. Cyrpress wood is very rot resistant and if buried in the tar sands would have been protected in the same manner. Plus the oil could have migrated upward of course eventually encompassing/enclosing any vegetation growing or already dead in that strata. I don't know the geology of that region. I wouldn't mind living there though.

    I found a partially fossilized large tree trunk (pretty blue quartz along with coal-like areas) in the Elk River Basin oil field that also still had fibrous like areas in it. It was in a shale formation. Lots of fossilized Nautiloid/Belemite turds there too, and Belemites themselves with beautiful suture marks but they were entirely fossilized and in a different formation, calcareous sandstone methinks.

    Chris
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