faction: Kingdom of Sweden

[Zephrelial]

As you know the second faction to be featured in CAE v1.4 is Sweden,so this thread shall serve the purpose of displaying the process,screenshots,comments,discussions during the time the faction is in the making process...

Now that Georgia is completed the work for Sweden can begin...

[Eranshahr]

I'll try to post as much information as possible. But have this in mind, I am not that good on Swedish history ( strange I know)

suggestions:

Starting locations on map- Stockholm and Kalmar/skara

political relations- Bad relations with HRE, Denmark, Russia and Lithuania
Good relations with- England, France, Teutonic order.

colours- Main colour sapphire blue and secondary yellow.

Religion- Chirstian, but large pagan population.

units- more infantry, viking style in early period, Russo-danish. high period more or less infantry with crossbows. Danish style of units. Late period should be heavy armed units, Also crossbowmen and swordsmen. more or less HRE style.

the provinces of Helsinki ( and Turku if my map is used) should be Crusading targets.

Flag- I think the modern, although it is disputed whether it was that or not. Although the most sources I have watched says that the modern Swedish flag was decided from a crusade during 1100 or something.

pictures and stuff- if I find I will post


This faction will be great.

Territorial changes from 1120
http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atl...dinavia/s1.htm

[Eranshahr]

Regular Swedish names:
Abraham
Abdon
Adils
Agnar
Alf
Alrik
Benjamin
Bror ( also means brother)
Dan
David
Vidar
Vilgot
Våge
Terje
Tor
Tjelvar
Toralf
Torgny
Trond
Torulf
Ture
Knut
Kåre
Magne
Erik
Magnus
Birger
Valdemar
Inge
Torstil
Thorsten
Bo
Agne
Alvar
Arvid
Karl
Bjarne
Botvid
Börje
Sigfrid
Sigmund
Staffan
Sture
Sören
Alexander. Thse are the typical male names in Sweden, all of them except Erik, Karl and Alexander are probably never used anymore but I think the royal family and many priests/diplomats had these names too. I hope I helped you a bit. ( The website I found them on was http://www.namnboken.se/ And i am so suprised about these names, I haven't heard 80% of them.

Most of them are either ancient Swedish or nordic names. That is why I picked them. I took them from a Swedish side saying where they are from and if ancient like ex: tor " Ancient nordic name meaning blah blah"

I will write down a female list soon.

I hope this helped. and if you people think I am unreliable, then you can try and search yourselves.

I'll see if I can expand the names a bit more.

[Eranshahr]

List of Female names:

Agata
Agnes
Alexandra
Alfrida
Alfhild
Arla
Astrid
Beatrice
Berit
Birgitta
Birgit
Borghhild
Daga
Doris
Edit
Eva
Edna
Eivor
Elisabeth
Katarina
Kerstin
Kristina
Natalia
Ragna
Ragnvor
Reidun
Freja
Rode
Runa
Sara
Signe
Sofia
Sigrun
Sigvor
Svea ( Special)
Tora
Torgun
Tova
Åsa
Åse
Urda
Unn
Maria
Magdalena
Magnhild

Note that the female names in Sweden were more loaned names from Greece, England, France and Germany. this is why teh list is mixed up more than the male name list is. And another thing is that I am not so certain about teh female lsit either. All taht sounds really Swedish ( like Tora and Svea) they are correct. but the non Swedish names I don't know when they were used ( except Maria and Birgitta which are correct)

A common thing for both the male and female name list is that many ar biblical. And Sweden was a pretty strict christian country back then. Only the pagans ( in the early years) and the Christians were allowed. muslim, jews or othodox- executed or forced away.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

Regular Swedish names:
Abraham
Abdon
Adils
Agnar
Alf
Alrik
Benjamin
Bror ( also means brother)
Dan
David
Vidar
Vilgot
Våge
Terje
Tor
Tjelvar
Toralf
Torgny
Trond
Torulf
Ture
Knut
Kåre
Magne
Erik
Magnus
Birger
Valdemar
Inge
Torstil
Thorsten
Bo
Agne
Alvar
Arvid
Karl
Bjarne
Botvid
Börje
Sigfrid
Sigmund
Staffan
Sture
Sören
Alexander. Thse are the typical male names in Sweden, all of them except Erik, Karl and Alexander are probably never used anymore

What? Several of those names are still in use what the hell are you rabbling about!? Karl, Sören, Sigmund, Arvid, Magnus, Staffan, Dan, David etc. are all common names. Perhaps not for your generation but they do exist nonetheless.

The modern Swedish flag is from the 15th century, it was inspired by the Daneborg (Danish flag). A historicaly correct flag would be either a golden lion on a blue background from the coat of arms of the Folkung, a powerfull family in Swedin. Either that or 3 crowns on a red (I think) background from a powerfull Norwegian family, Erikarna, who helped form the Swedish kingdom and were allied with the Folkungs.

The Swedish vikings or Varangians as they should be called kicked some heavy ass in the east tbh, they became kings both in Kiev and Novgorod.

Uih, and the Greek cross flag is more or less accurate. It was never a national flag but it occured in heraldy constantly, it came from the runestones that the vikings that had served in Byzantium drew when they came home as Christians.

[Eranshahr]

Tken from a Swedish website about teh Medieval ages in Sweden


Taken from English-
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Mi...s_i387142_.htm


Swedish Monarchs ( tried to translate into enlgish)

Inge the Older- 1080-1084 also 1087-1110
Blot-Sven 1084-1087
some years of no kings, and then some disputes over kings
Filip- 1118-1120
Inge the younger- 1118-1120

then:
ragnvald Knaphövde- 1123-1128
Magnus Nilson 1125-1130

As you see in the starting years there was some kind of political instability, epsecially among the geats and the swedes. both declared own kings, but the union held.

Sverker the older-1130 - 1156
Erik the holy 1156 - 1160
Magnus Henriksson 1161
Karl Sverkerson 1161 - 1167
Knut Eriksson 1167 - 1196
Sverker Karlsson 1196 - 1208
Erik Knutsson 1208 - 1216
Johan Sverkerson 1216 - 1222
Erik Läspe and halte- too young, Sweden is ruled by a council. 1222 - 1229
Knut the Long 1229 - 1234
Erik Erikson (Läspte and Halte) Finally in age-1236 - 1249


Next " Dynasty"
Birger Jarl 1250-1266
Valdemar Birgersson 1260 -1275 ( not mature enough to rule for real)
Magnus Ladulås 1275 - 1290
Birger Magnusson at 1290 he had some sort of council til he finally ruled 1298 - 1312
Magnus Eriksson 1319 1232- Same as the one above til 1332 - 1364
Erik Magnusson 1356 - 1359 he ruled together with Magnus eriksson

Then it was the Kalmar union. And Varius Danish kings ruled both Sweden and Norway. The thing that might be possible is to find resistance leaders.

And the Last king in the game should be Gustav Vasa. ( 1521-1523 " presenter" or something of Sweden, and then king 1523-1560)

[Zephrelial]

All those are a great start for info you provided about Sweden Eranshahr
Also I remember you posting the medieval Swedish names,I'll find them when need be...

[Zephrelial]

Well I have already posted the names here, even expanded the list a bit with new names. Check post nr 3 and 4

Yes I've already have.But earlier you posted different names medieval swedish names don't worry about it.I'll find those names..


EDIT:

Excellent material! Curses that I can't model .. Also I thought that the reiters were exclusive to HRE it seems Sweden had some cool reiters..

Tken from a Swedish website about teh Medieval ages in Sweden


Taken from English-
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Mi...s_i387142_.htm


Swedish Monarchs ( tried to translate into enlgish)

Inge the Older- 1080-1084 also 1087-1110
Blot-Sven 1084-1087
some years of no kings, and then some disputes over kings
Filip- 1118-1120
Inge the younger- 1118-1120

then:
ragnvald Knaphövde- 1123-1128
Magnus Nilson 1125-1130

As you see in the starting years there was some kind of political instability, epsecially among the geats and the swedes. both declared own kings, but the union held.

Sverker the older-1130 - 1156
Erik the holy 1156 - 1160
Magnus Henriksson 1161
Karl Sverkerson 1161 - 1167
Knut Eriksson 1167 - 1196
Sverker Karlsson 1196 - 1208
Erik Knutsson 1208 - 1216
Johan Sverkerson 1216 - 1222
Erik Läspe and halte- too young, Sweden is ruled by a council. 1222 - 1229
Knut the Long 1229 - 1234
Erik Erikson (Läspte and Halte) Finally in age-1236 - 1249


Next " Dynasty"
Birger Jarl 1250-1266
Valdemar Birgersson 1260 -1275 ( not mature enough to rule for real)
Magnus Ladulås 1275 - 1290
Birger Magnusson at 1290 he had some sort of council til he finally ruled 1298 - 1312
Magnus Eriksson 1319 1232- Same as the one above til 1332 - 1364
Erik Magnusson 1356 - 1359 he ruled together with Magnus eriksson

Then it was the Kalmar union. And Varius Danish kings ruled both Sweden and Norway. The thing that might be possible is to find resistance leaders.

And the Last king in the game should be Gustav Vasa. ( 1521-1523 " presenter" or something of Sweden, and then king 1523-1560)

Great historical research I'll make sure I'll make entries for all the rulers of Sweden in the names list of Sweden.

[Eranshahr]

Well I have already posted the names here, even expanded the list a bit with new names. Check post nr 3 and 4

[Eranshahr]

1050 swedish soldier- Royal soldier.
Landvärnsman 1050-swedish


Late period Swedish dismounted knight( officer)
Landknight late period-swedish
Nordic warrior- early period.
Swedish soldier-early 1200

ships used my sweden

a weapon shield from king Valdermar Birgersson
Swedish " Herremanskrigare"






Swedish war chariot.








Swedish knight

Some kind of Swedish infantry.

[Eranshahr]

This is a " higher valued noble" ( Swedish)

If you see the blue flags- that is another swedish symbol.


Swedish crossbowman
















Swedish knight.

Swedish " musketeer"

a mix of tax collectors.

Swedish peasant at 1400



Crossbowmen were very important for Sweden. Both are from 1400. And the one to the right is more of " english" model. Pretty rare in norway and denmark. but used in Sweden










Sweden used teh Italian ribault

this is a Swedish axearmed crossbowman. 1450


Late era Swedish soldier

Swedish style " Reiter"

Swedish handgunner
Late period Swedish cavalry. Armed with crossbows and spike club.

Landscneckt or waht they are called. Swedish mercenaries.



I hope this information was good. sadly I don't knwo the real name of all units so you might have to make up some

http://www.smb.nu/svenskakrig/1448_1520.asp
Swedish source.

[Eranshahr]

Well I found those names. And then I took those names and added more names. Adn the result I put here. So these are the same, but with more information.

and I hope you liked it.

Well about the modelling. I am sure some old friends would like to help. Well as I have said many times before. The Swedes used more of the german style soldiers rather than the Danish. Early period it was viking-Danish then high period it was like danish-german- swedish and then it became more or less german-swedish. Typical Swedish were teh crossbows.

It would be cool to have the war chariot But I know it is somewhat impossible.

[Zephrelial]

Well I found those names. And then I took those names and added more names. Adn the result I put here. So these are the same, but with more information.

and I hope you liked it.

Well about the modelling. I am sure some old friends would like to help. Well as I have said many times before. The Swedes used more of the german style soldiers rather than the Danish. Early period it was viking-Danish then high period it was like danish-german- swedish and then it became more or less german-swedish. Typical Swedish were teh crossbows.

It would be cool to have the war chariot But I know it is somewhat impossible.

Ah now I get how you worked About the modelling I'm sure they can help but modelling really takes time and they're busy with their own agendas I'll probably have to wait at least 3 months since there can be at least 4 units that are to be modelled.And if we do that only for Sweden people will expect more and for the other factions as well...

BTW very useful info about the swedish units.It gave me a general idea.I'd like to say again that Sweden should have the most powerful late period units in the game since historically their strongest era was the late era...

And with CAE's eras feature it will fit in just fine.

[Eranshahr]

no no Zeph. Not the strongest. that title should be held by France, HRE and the turks. But Sweden should definately be one of the strongest in the late era and one of the weakest in the early. the website I got those pictures from, I can swear out of 10 wars 4 was with Denmark, 4 was with Novgorod and maybe 2 were against various German states, Teutons, Sword brethren and Poland.

ah I see how you think about the modelling. I understand and I totally agree.

Have you put the swedish faction on teh campaign map? you know as you did with georgia I hope I am not pressing you too much. I say take your time and don't stress. remember it must be fun not frustrating.

[Zephrelial]

no no Zeph. Not the strongest. that title should be held by France, HRE and the turks. But Sweden should definately be one of the strongest in the late era and one of the weakest in the early. the website I got those pictures from, I can swear out of 10 wars 4 was with Denmark, 4 was with Novgorod and maybe 2 were against various German states, Teutons, Sword brethren and Poland.

ah I see how you think about the modelling. I understand and I totally agree.

Have you put the swedish faction on teh campaign map? you know as you did with georgia I hope I am not pressing you too much. I say take your time and don't stress. remember it must be fun not frustrating.

You're absouletely right.That was an overexaggerating statement of mine about Sweden's strength.I actually wanted to emphasize that there shall and probably will be a good number of late period units in Sweden..

Now I'm packing up the CAE v1.3 fixer and will relase it soon.Also I've found an extremely cool medieval Swedish flag that can be used as the symbol of Sweden and within an hour I hope I'll be working on the Swedish symbols,mostly graphical stuff

[Zephrelial]

Ok here is the flag I found...

[Eranshahr]

within an hour? damn you suprise me a lot. what is it, the 100th time?

I am sorry that I didn't find a good flag for Sweden.

And you weren't overexaggerated. Sweden was STRONG and especially during late period. But not as strong as germany or france. But still close.

[Eranshahr]

really Swedish? It is cool. But totally unfamiliar for me. But wow.

[Zephrelial]

really Swedish? It is cool. But totally unfamiliar for me. But wow.

I think it's Swedish.I searched it in yahoo,typing "medieval sweden banner" and "medieval sweden flag" and along with this one,the classical swedish flag appeared...

Also notice the lions on the flag,in the medieval Denmark's flag the similar (not exactly but similar) lions appear so that there is a high probability that it's some kind of a medieval Swedish flag...

And I really loved the flag too.. Incredibly cool if you ask me.

EDIT:

Also notice that the flag's colour scheme's is saphire/yellow which is swedish flag's colour scheme,so I guess that's indeed a swedish flag )

[Eranshahr]

Well it would be extremely cool to see on Swedish cities and units