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    Default You are put in control of your country

    What is the first law that you create, and the first that you abolish?

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    I crown myself absolutist monarch and abolish all laws, leaving everything to my judgment. Sudden power would no doubt make me mad and greedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estlander View Post
    What is the first law that you create, and the first that you abolish?
    Pass: A series of laws establishing a universal medical care system, equal LGBT rights, and a the nationalisation of the arms industry.

    Abolish: Presidential term limits. If only to give me the ability to reign indefinitely. Also, the stupid Patriot Act, the IRS, FEMA, and other negative drains on the treasury. Replace them with something that works.
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    Abolish: Patriot Act, IRS, FEMA, Homeland Security, Social Security, Welfare, anything which gives people Government Money. (Minus loans and such of course)

    Pass: Law saying that no laws can be made about Trade and Production. Allow Senators, and Representatives to have no term limit.
    "I have need to be all on fire, for I have mountains of ice about me to melt." -William Lloyd Garrison

    "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end." -Leon Trotsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Abolish: Patriot Act, IRS, FEMA, Homeland Security, Social Security, Welfare, anything which gives people Government Money. (Minus loans and such of course)

    Pass: Law saying that no laws can be made about Trade and Production. Allow Senators, and Representatives to have no term limit.
    and a week after your reforms, the country explodes ether from internal collapse or invasion/terrorism.

    i mean have you even thought some of those threw? no laws on production? so companies can make very dangerious good and give them to your kids? no IRS, whos going to fund the military that protects you? no security, what you going to do without police?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~The Doctor~ View Post
    -Enter Australia into complete Isolationism.

    -Enforce the strictist environmental policy you have ever seen.

    -Limit immigration.

    -Build artificial inland sea (can be done, but horribly expensive).

    -Eliminate private schools, bring public schools up to level where private is no longer necessary.

    -Create "petrol" rationing, incentive to use public transportation, walk, ride bikes to work instead of driving.

    -Sort out the drought, build as many dams as possible.

    -Invest in renewable energy sources - wind, wave, solar, geothermal.

    -Nationalisation of energy, gas, electricity, telecommunications, etc.

    -Build me a few atom bombs. Safeguard Australia's resources.

    -Limit import and export, try to produce everything at home.

    So when the world collapses, Australia will survive.
    Communism ftw

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    What I do:
    - Withdraw the United States from the UN and NATO
    - Build a wall across the Mexican border and deport all the illegal immigrants (all of them)
    - Abolish the Departments of Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development
    - Get rid of social security and any other welfare program
    - National Service. Two years of service in either Military, Peace Corps, Public Works Corps, or some other group in order to get your right to vote
    - Make it so that you have to be born to American citizens to get citizenship.
    - Abolish FEMA
    - Renew PATRIOT Act
    - Make it impossible for any foreign nation, group or body to extradite an American citizen for any reason
    - Legalize Marijuana, keep other hard drugs very illegal
    - Give the US Interstate system a no speed limit policy
    - Drinking age of 18
    - Term limit for Senators
    - Get rid of the Circut Court's. State Supreme Courts are the next highest court level other than SCOTUS
    - Keep as much of the economy as possible in private hands. Regulation to keep people safe, but other than that, nothing.

    If I was elected I'd step down in 4 or 8 years, depending. If not, then I'd keep Presidency for as long as I needed.
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    - Withdraw the United States from the UN and NATO
    What good does this do? We live in a global community, we need global institutions.
    - Build a wall across the Mexican border and deport all the illegal immigrants (all of them)
    Might have some serious repercussions on our agricultural sector. Im all for strengthening the border, but deporting all illegals would cause far more problems than it would solve.
    - Abolish the Departments of Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development
    Yep, whenever some states want to religiously indoctrinate their students, the national government should just sit back and allow it to happen.
    - Get rid of social security and any other welfare program
    Fix yes, get rid off? Anything that helps promote a middle class is positive.
    - National Service. Two years of service in either Military, Peace Corps, Public Works Corps, or some other group in order to get your right to vote
    Increasing the military is the last thing that we need to do
    - Make it so that you have to be born to American citizens to get citizenship.
    That reeks of hypocrisy and in all practicality is one of the more foolish things I have ever heard.
    - Abolish FEMA
    Yea, I agree that more people dying from Katrina would have been great
    - Renew PATRIOT Act
    And you claim to be conservative....
    - Make it impossible for any foreign nation, group or body to extradite an American citizen for any reason
    Why?

    Really, you could quite easily be the worst ruler the world has ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl of Rochester View Post
    What good does this do? We live in a global community, we need global institutions.
    No WE don't. The rest of the world needs global institutions, but the United States does not. Focusing on our problems is far more imporant than trying to solve the worlds problems.

    Might have some serious repercussions on our agricultural sector. Im all for strengthening the border, but deporting all illegals would cause far more problems than it would solve.
    Short term it could cause some problems, yes. In a few years though, enough real Americans will be back in the agriculture sector to eliminate the problems.

    Yep, whenever some states want to religiously indoctrinate their students, the national government should just sit back and allow it to happen.
    Good, we agree.

    Fix yes, get rid off? Anything that helps promote a middle class is positive.
    Welfare does anything but promote a middle class.

    Increasing the military is the last thing that we need to do
    Hence people being able to join other public organizations.

    That reeks of hypocrisy and in all practicality is one of the more foolish things I have ever heard.
    Congratulations

    Yea, I agree that more people dying from Katrina would have been great
    Doesn't matter. It isn't the Federal Government's job to interfere with states rights. If the State and City had been properly managed then Katrina would have been far less of a problem to begin with.

    And you claim to be conservative....
    I don't claim to be conservative. I AM conservative.

    Why?
    If we aren't going to be meddling in foreign affairs, the world (Europe) better not interfere in ours.

    Really, you could quite easily be the worst ruler the world has ever seen.
    Good to know

    emm Setana would completely destroy America, far worse than anything Bush has done.
    I'd save it from continuing down its current course towards destruction. Anyways, spell my name right.

    And anyways, Bush is bad, but far from being the worst ruler, certainly not even the worst president.
    Correct, the distinction of worst president would go to FDR.

    Sentana isn't against public education. He is against the national gov controlling it.
    Correct.

    So for example when Kansas wants to get rid of evolution in its text books and teach that Creationism is scientifically factual, then the national government would be helpless to do anything about it.
    Well I would be quite upset about that, but it is states rights, and so on principal, no the Feds would be helpless to do anything about it, like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    and a week after your reforms, the country explodes ether from internal collapse or invasion/terrorism.

    i mean have you even thought some of those threw? no laws on production? so companies can make very dangerious good and give them to your kids? no IRS, whos going to fund the military that protects you? no security, what you going to do without police?
    1. Sale of public lands.

    2. Companies should, however find me parents that will let the kids buy it. Also companies that would do that would get INCREDIBLY bad press.

    3. Sale of Public lands will carry us through for awhile, perhaps for long range we start a travel tax to foreigners who visit, you know something like a 50$ pass to get into the U.S, helps stop Terrorism as well.

    4. Homeland Security is a diffrent deal then the Police force. And if you think Social Security even remotely involves the police.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    1. Sale of public lands.
    say goodbye to our forests...
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    Abolish: Ayn Rand's Books...all of them.* War on Drugs. Hate Crime legislation. Patriot Act. Term limits.

    Pass: A law making it illegal for the President to use the military, unless Congress declares war. Legalize "illicit" substances (i.e. drugs). Law making candidates for any election personally liable for any campaign advertisement that is not 100% factual and focusing on actual issues, rather than mudslinging. Institute military draft. Lower drinking age to 18.

    ...I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of them right now...



    * just kidding, JG...
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    Evil is bad sold as good, wrong sold as right, injustice sold as justice. Like the coat of a virus, a thin veil of right can disguise enormous wrong and confer an ability to infect others."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Condormanius View Post
    Abolish: Ayn Rand's Books...all of them.* War on Drugs. Hate Crime legislation. Patriot Act. Term limits.

    Pass: A law making it illegal for the President to use the military, unless Congress declares war. Legalize "illicit" substances (i.e. drugs). Law making candidates for any election personally liable for any campaign advertisement that is not 100% factual and focusing on actual issues, rather than mudslinging. Institute military draft. Lower drinking age to 18.

    ...I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of them right now...



    * just kidding, JG...
    XD

    I knew you were'nt the sort to burn/ban books.
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    I immedeatly put a constituitional amendemnt in that says you have to serve your country for 2 years to vote, recieve Social Security, get welfare, unemployment and federal health care.

    Get rid of DHS return the orginizations to what they were pre DHS, War on drugs, and the Patriot act, Hate crime laws.
    Do a major overhaul on the CIA, NSA, and the FBI. Plus a major overhaul of FEMA
    Make a federal drug, tobaco and alcholhol tax of 10 cents for alcholhol and tobaco, 20 cents for other drugs
    Pass a law for liberal term limits 12 terms for house members, and 4 terms for senators.
    Allow the house to start growing again.
    Close all loopholes allowing buisnesses to have accounts in the Caymens, and give the IRS the money it need to enforce tax violators
    Put up a trade barrier for all products coming in from China.
    Also increace the USAs research into cyberspace warfare.
    Get the US out of CAFTA, NAFTA, and the WTO.
    Continue to build the US mexican wall.
    Finnally start enforcing minor infractions of companies doing buisness in China
    Abolish: Ayn Rand's Books...all of them.*
    Good one.
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    -Enter Australia into complete Isolationism.

    -Enforce the strictist environmental policy you have ever seen.

    -Limit immigration.

    -Build artificial inland sea (can be done, but horribly expensive).

    -Eliminate private schools, bring public schools up to level where private is no longer necessary.

    -Create "petrol" rationing, incentive to use public transportation, walk, ride bikes to work instead of driving.

    -Sort out the drought, build as many dams as possible.

    -Invest in renewable energy sources - wind, wave, solar, geothermal.

    -Nationalisation of energy, gas, electricity, telecommunications, etc.

    -Build me a few atom bombs. Safeguard Australia's resources.

    -Limit import and export, try to produce everything at home.

    So when the world collapses, Australia will survive.


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    Uh whats the inland sea for?
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Uh whats the inland sea for?
    More farmland, obviously.

    Australia's a huge country but much of it's land is unsuitable for farming. The inland sea creates more.


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    More like, socialism ftw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~The Doctor~ View Post
    More like, socialism ftw.
    -Limit import and export, try to produce everything at home.

    that is very boarderline communist tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sétanta View Post
    What I do:

    - Abolish the Departments of Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development
    what benifits do you see from getting rid of the department of education? i dont see a stupid population as a great way to compete with china's groing economy, alot of those groups do alot more then just give things to poor people you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sétanta View Post
    - Get rid of social security and any other welfare program
    - National Service. Two years of service in either Military, Peace Corps, Public Works Corps, or some other group in order to get your right to vote
    isnt that against the us Constitution some how? dont the people have the right to vote just for being american citizens regardless of military service?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sétanta View Post
    - Abolish FEMA
    whats so bad about fema?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sétanta View Post
    - Make it impossible for any foreign nation, group or body to extradite an American citizen for any reason
    its a two way street, what if pakistan or someone find osama? or an american citizen commits a serious crime and runs to europe to escape jail? i doubt ether would help you if your not willing to return the favour

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    what benifits do you see from getting rid of the department of education? i dont see a stupid population as a great way to compete with china's groing economy, alot of those groups do alot more then just give things to poor people you know.
    He doesn't want to pay taxes to fund other people's education, even thought what you say is true. Not only is maintaining a population of knuckleheads downright dangerous, but having an educated population is beneficial on many levels.

    isnt that against the us Constitution some how? dont the people have the right to vote just for being american citizens regardless of military service?
    Yes. It is very much against the constitution.

    whats so bad about fema?
    He doesn't think the Federal government should provide any aid whatsoever for disaster relief, even though it is beneficial to do so. I particularly remember him complaining about New Orleans after Katrina, saying, "I don't really care about most of the 'victims.'" Take that how you will. I know how I took it.

    its a two way street, what if pakistan or someone find osama? or an american citizen commits a serious crime and runs to europe to escape jail? i doubt ether would help you if your not willing to return the favour
    It's just another example of the unfortunate mentality that says the U.S. can do whatever the hell we want without any recourse. This is a very dangerous way of thinking, not only for the reasons you mention.
    "There is a difference between what is wrong and what is evil. Evil is committed when clarity is taken away from what is clearly wrong, allowing wrong to be seen as less wrong, excusable, right, or an obligatory commandment of the Lord God Almighty.

    Evil is bad sold as good, wrong sold as right, injustice sold as justice. Like the coat of a virus, a thin veil of right can disguise enormous wrong and confer an ability to infect others."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    what benifits do you see from getting rid of the department of education? i dont see a stupid population as a great way to compete with china's groing economy, alot of those groups do alot more then just give things to poor people you know.
    The DoE is an innapropriate intrusion on State, local and family affairs. The Federal Government has no right controlling education.


    isnt that against the us Constitution some how? dont the people have the right to vote just for being american citizens regardless of military service?
    Quite. The Constitution is amendable, though.

    whats so bad about fema?
    Emergency Response, unless a national disaster, is the responsibilty of the State and Local governments.

    its a two way street, what if pakistan or someone find osama? or an american citizen commits a serious crime and runs to europe to escape jail? i doubt ether would help you if your not willing to return the favour
    Probably not.

    Scotland, Cornwall, Northern Ireland, Falklands, Parts of Iraq and Afganistan?
    Since when is Afghanistan and parts of Iraq part of the British Empire?

    He doesn't think the Federal government should provide any aid whatsoever for disaster relief, even though it is beneficial to do so. I particularly remember him complaining about New Orleans after Katrina, saying, "I don't really care about most of the 'victims.'" Take that how you will. I know how I took it.
    Nope. Federal Government=foreign affairs. States=internal affairs. Exceptions exist, but that is the general principal.
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