Will it ever be okay for a guy to hit a girl?

**IronBrig4** · September 25, 2007, 05:30 PM

Maybe I have a skewed perspective because most of my girl friends are tomboys who like to rough-house. I have been wondering something; if the feminist movement keeps progressing, do you think it will eventually become acceptable for a guy to hit a girl back?

I am not advocating domestic violence, of course. Violence should be a last resort. People who use their fists at the slightest provocation are idiots. I've followed one particular rule since I joined Boy Scouts: never start a fight unless the other person is 100 pounds heavier than you.

I know some people who would refuse to fight back under any circumstances, even if the woman was coming at them with a knife. Others would only attempt to restrain a knife-wielding woman. Still others would simply knock her ***** ass out.

If women want equal rights, then they should be prepared to accept the consequences. If a girl instigates violent conflict with a guy, she should be fully prepared for a return punch. I'm just saying...

Then she should get in the kitchen and bake me a pie.

What? That last part was a joke, people.

**Perkele** · September 25, 2007, 05:35 PM

Women and men have different physics, we'll never be the same.

But hitting a woman not allowed? Of course it is, if the circumstances demand so. Like if the crazy junkie-***** is coming at you with a knife.

But without weapons...nah, it's not like the woman could even harm you.

**Farnan** · September 25, 2007, 05:39 PM

Hitting a woman is only ok under 2 circumstances:

1. In self-defence

2. Jockingly with female friends, in the case its a light tap and not really meant to cause real pain.

Otherwise hitting a woman is unacceptable. I don't want to hear any equal rights garbage, a man is a vast majority of the time far taller, heavier, and related to upper body strength stronger. This is not to say there are not tough women, I know some myself, but most, nearly all women would be overpowered by a guy and women are also more receptive to pain (I forget the reference for the study) thus the fight is in no way fair and it is completely dishonorable. There are few things that will piss me off, and woman beating is one of them.

**Taimee Rose** · September 25, 2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Man With No Name

Hitting a woman is only ok under 2 circumstances:

1. In self-defence

2. Jockingly with female friends, in the case its a light tap and not really meant to cause real pain.

Otherwise hitting a woman is unacceptable. I don't want to hear any equal rights garbage, a man is a vast majority of the time far taller, heavier, and related to upper body strength stronger. This is not to say there are not tough women, I know some myself, but most, nearly all women would be overpowered by a guy and women are also more receptive to pain (I forget the reference for the study) thus the fight is in no way fair and it is completely dishonorable. There are few things that will piss me off, and woman beating is one of them.

So it's ok to randomlly punch guys in the face?

**~~Scar Face~~** · September 25, 2007, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Man With No Name

Hitting a woman is only ok under 2 circumstances:

1. In self-defence

2. Jockingly with female friends, in the case its a light tap and not really meant to cause real pain.

Otherwise hitting a woman is unacceptable. I don't want to hear any equal rights garbage, a man is a vast majority of the time far taller, heavier, and related to upper body strength stronger. This is not to say there are not tough women, I know some myself, but most, nearly all women would be overpowered by a guy and women are also more receptive to pain (I forget the reference for the study) thus the fight is in no way fair and it is completely dishonorable. There are few things that will piss me off, and woman beating is one of them.

Well, I agree. But I don't think anyone claims they should be able to beat a Women because of equality. Nor does anyone think it is their right to beat a Man-really there is no double standard there. The points you stated, specifically one, that is where there is a double standard that people wish to change.

Now, do I think that we will ever be able to hit a Women? Yes. Not because of the Feminist movement mind you, and perhaps it will not even occur in next few hundred years. But really, its obvious that at some point in the future it will be acceptable--a lot changes over time. Our current society I don't think it will happen though. The Equality movement isn't really about equality anymore, they cherry pick what they want. They want equal pay, equal opportunity for jobs and so on-fine. But they don't want responsibility for their actions when they assault another Guy, suddenly it is unfair. I have honestly never met a girl let alone an activist that was for Men being allowed to hit Girls in self defense. So, as there is no real push towards this, I don't see it happening for a very very long time.

**Roman Clone** · September 25, 2007, 05:47 PM

They are Human Beings as well, regardless of their personalities or behavior. In my book, everyone's a target.

**LoZz** · September 25, 2007, 06:14 PM

suggestion: move to ethos.

its already ok to hit a girl in self defence, thats why the law will allow you to do it.

but to be honest its never "ok" to hit anyone, you hit anyone, even a guy for no reason you are viewed pritty negitivly and can be arrested for it, its just that doing it to a women is viewed as something even worse, like hitting a child

**Farnan** · September 25, 2007, 07:04 PM

Did I ever say random violence was ok?

Nope, not at all...

However there are more situations where it is acceptable, though not preferred, that two guys fight.

**Angmar_nite** · September 25, 2007, 07:47 PM

Roman Clone... Have you ever hit a girl or a guy in your life in anger?

**Roman Clone** · September 25, 2007, 07:48 PM

No, Not really. But Self Defense is Self Defense.

**Angmar_nite** · September 25, 2007, 07:52 PM

Should the time come, unless your manhood or life is in danger, you will find that it is very hard to bring your fist up into a girl's jaw. Now with a guy, it's far different (and fun).

**Roman Clone** · September 25, 2007, 07:54 PM

I would love to talk about hurting people but Annaeus would get mad

**Justinian** · September 25, 2007, 08:11 PM

Moved to the Ethos.

**HopliteElite** · September 25, 2007, 08:33 PM

A woman is not the physical equal of a man, therefore a man should always entertain other options when it comes to dealing with a violent woman, unless he is absolutely forced to strike her, such as if his life is being directly threatened. I agree with the child comparison. A child is smaller and weaker than an adult, therefore a responsible adult should not strike a child, since the child can likely be restrained or dealt with without using such force. The same goes for most women. Averagely speaking, females are smaller and weaker than men so a responsible man should not strike a female, since the female can likely be restrained or dealt with without using such force.

However, if you are a 160lb man and a 300 lb woman becomes incredibly aggressive and violent towards you, I dare say that unless you, the man, know some form of devastating karate, you are a distinct disadvantage and therefore can use whatever force you are able to muster to fight off the angry behemoth.

**~~Scar Face~~** · September 25, 2007, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by HopliteElite

A woman is not the physical equal of a man, therefore a man should always entertain other options when it comes to dealing with a violent woman, unless he is absolutely forced to strike her, such as if his life is being directly threatened. I agree with the child comparison. A child is smaller and weaker than an adult, therefore a responsible adult should not strike a child, since the child can likely be restrained or dealt with without using such force. The same goes for most women. Averagely speaking, females are smaller and weaker than men so a responsible man should not strike a female, since the female can likely be restrained or dealt with without using such force.

It is exactly this attitude that stops true equality from ever happening. You think your doing Women a favor by not hitting them, but you aren't. You are stopping any hope of Equality. To be an Equal you must suffer the consequences of your actions just as harshly as anyone else. Yes, they are weaker-which is why they should not hit you in the first place. I would not think twice about decking a weaker man if he started it, and the same goes to a Women. If they are so foolish to think they can get away with it, they deserve it. Again I say, equality is all about equal treatment-be it good or bad. You cant cherry pick equality.

**HopliteElite** · September 25, 2007, 09:09 PM

It is exactly this attitude that stops true equality from ever happening. You think your doing Women a favor by not hitting them, but you aren't. You are stopping any hope of Equality.

I do not believe that females and males are equal, therefore I am serving my belief well by treating them as physically inferior by refusing to hit them unless absolutely necessary. True equality, as you call it, is something that should never come to be as it can never be true, considering the male and female are, in fact, VERY biologically different, which nullifies any chance for real equality.

Every man is born equal to other men, unless he is born with mental or physical defects. Every woman is born equal to other women, unless she is born with mental or physical defects. Men and women are different and physically speaking men are superior. This is what I adhere to because all it takes is observation to see that men, on average, are physically larger and stronger than women. People like yourself are trying to avoid the obvious physical differences between men and women in an ill-fated chase for true equality, which as I said above, cannot be achieved when it comes to men and women because we are, factually speaking, biologically too different to be considered completely equal.

Again I say, equality is all about equal treatment-be it good or bad. You cant cherry pick equality.

This is exactly my belief, which is why I am against, entirely, any feminist ideology that stresses physical equality when it comes to men and women, as we are clearly not equal in that sense. If a woman wants to be paid equally for doing the same job, just as well, as a man, I'm for that but females are not, on average, physically up to par with men and therefore I will never strike one unless terribly threatened, as it would be irresponsible.

**~~Scar Face~~** · September 26, 2007, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by HopliteElite

I do not believe that females and males are equal, therefore I am serving my belief well by treating them as physically inferior by refusing to hit them unless absolutely necessary. True equality, as you call it, is something that should never come to be as it can never be true, considering the male and female are, in fact, VERY biologically different, which nullifies any chance for real equality.

Difference in biology doesn't mean one is better than the other. I don't know your views on this matter, and I would like you to elaborate in your response. I would agree with your views if your saying women are Physically inferior, but I'm not entirely sure thats what your getting at.

Men and women are different and physically speaking men are superior. This is what I adhere to because all it takes is observation to see that men, on average, are physically larger and stronger than women. People like yourself are trying to avoid the obvious physical differences between men and women in an ill-fated chase for true equality, which as I said above, cannot be achieved when it comes to men and women because we are, factually speaking, biologically too different to be considered completely equal.

No, we are not actually. I consider someone to be equal if they mentally my equal. Women as far as we know, have just as high a mental capacity as Men do, therefore they are equal. It is true that Women are weaker than men--just like it is true some men are weaker than Women. Thats not the point of debate here. Frankly, it doesn't matter if they are weaker. If they mentally equal with us--as they are--they should be treated the same as we are. When they make a mistake (and yes it is a mistake for a women to hit a Man, clearly) they should get the same response.

This is exactly my belief, which is why I am against, entirely, any feminist ideology that stresses physical equality when it comes to men and women, as we are clearly not equal in that sense. If a woman wants to be paid equally for doing the same job, just as well, as a man, I'm for that but females are not, on average, physically up to par with men and therefore I will never strike one unless terribly threatened, as it would be irresponsible.

Answer me this: If a weak man punched you in the Face, how would you respond? If he is physically inferior should you not subdue him without injury? I doubt you would, and I know that most wouldn't. Its a double standard.

**Roman Clone** · September 25, 2007, 09:10 PM

Why are we even talking about this, you should never even hit anyone.

**HopliteElite** · September 25, 2007, 09:17 PM

Why are we even talking about this, you should never even hit anyone.

Ideally, yes, you are correct but I pity the fool that takes a hit and refuses to strike back on principle, unless the hit really didn't hurt you at all, in which case you could laugh and humiliate your attacker far more than a retaliatory punch ever could.