Armenia experience

**gogis** · September 24, 2007, 03:22 AM

Seems for me like incomplete nation.

1. Horrid unbalanced roster. Armenia Cavalry is fast in your hands, but cmon, you have nothing better, no pikes, no early infantry, and late is soso.
2. No free upkeep troops in cities. Or i didnt noticed

3. Adana, being castle, leads to almost infinite turtling due lack of cash, rebuilding into city at start leads to lack of armies. Make Sis castle instead?
Lack of free upkeep troops in cities, constant imams invasion force you to garrison.
War with turks almost inevitable, but still, i took 3 their cities and still turtle for ages, i easily bend off their attacks (granted, they never really tried), but it's almost impossible to do anything - unrest upkeep army eat whole income.

4. Some agents (merchant as example) portraits at recruit stage looks like face of man in helmet with sword at right

5. In battle AI interface circle button to pin forces (red - enemy/green - yours) is unavailable and invisible for some reason

4-5 - is Armenia only feature, other nations don't have that bugs

Anyways, can me somebody tell, how i suppose to play with nation, that have 2 settlements and no rebel around? Gee, hard one!

**Darviathar** · September 24, 2007, 08:51 AM

What do you expect? Armenia is not intended to be a major power. Take Farmagustra and Rhodes. The computer always does this against my Byzantines. Consider making nice with the Turks and attacking Egypt instead. They are usually weak and have the KoJ to contend with.

**gogis** · September 25, 2007, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Darviathar

What do you expect? Armenia is not intended to be a major power. Take Farmagustra and Rhodes. The computer always does this against my Byzantines. Consider making nice with the Turks and attacking Egypt instead. They are usually weak and have the KoJ to contend with.

I expect that with game i can retailor history in whatever way i want, fix your attitude on minor factions

Them supposed to be challenge, and i just posted my views to fixes needing, thats all.
Don't you think, that inability to garrizon cities with militia is kinda obvious bug? I do.

**firekiller** · September 24, 2007, 09:06 AM

they should make a complete reskin for them

**AP49** · September 24, 2007, 11:16 AM

It's better to go out on a limb and make a grab for some cities even if it gets you in debt for a while rather than sitting around desperately trying to keep your head above water.

**hekk** · September 24, 2007, 11:22 AM

Its true, they along with Lithuania and Kiev Rus have got placeholder-ish roster, I hope they get more unique units and stuff.

**gogis** · September 25, 2007, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by hekk

Its true, they along with Lithuania and Kiev Rus have got placeholder-ish roster, I hope they get more unique units and stuff.

Yay, both rus factions have amazing roster(they have everything, to say least, best HA's, best spearmen, best heavy cav, best jav-cav, best muskeeters), you wrong here

**hekk** · September 25, 2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by gogis

Yay, both rus factions have amazing roster(they have everything, to say least, best HA's, best spearmen, best heavy cav, best jav-cav, best muskeeters), you wrong here

But the Kiev Rus is mostly a copy of Novgorod, which means that it isn't a unique faction.

**gogis** · September 25, 2007, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by hekk

But the Kiev Rus is mostly a copy of Novgorod, which means that it isn't a unique faction.

Yes, but atleast it's not weak roster.
Btw, in SS Kievan got musktetry horse called cossack gunner, DLV can steal it from there

More diversity

**gogis** · September 25, 2007, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by AP49

It's better to go out on a limb and make a grab for some cities even if it gets you in debt for a while rather than sitting around desperately trying to keep your head above water.

Problem that you should keep cities content, cause there is religious problem (from both imams and cath priests), and you DONT have free upkeep units.
I already said, that i rampaged several Turkish cities and end up in situation, when i havent income keeping just defensive army.
I had 2 variants - disband army and keep cities at low taxes and asking Turks to conquer me, or to end game. I chose latter.

Also i should convert Adana to city at start (it's coastal). That why i proposed exchanging Adana/Sis city/castle status.

**ivanhoex** · September 24, 2007, 02:13 PM

i think you all should be voting towards taking out a lot of units from the game, like in the irish rooster than complaining for a lack of troops in a small faction.

factions like the irish or the teutons now have so many kind of troops "borrowed" from all around the world, that they seem to be like the only countries that were able to "adapt" their warfare system along the way.
like... what the hell are doing heavy noble scots pikemen in the rooster of teutons, i mean the irish is an absolute laugh, but the teutons are so close that indeed the "wrong units" are quite obvious

i mean, irish people, i know you want to play with ireland, and i know that having a poor rooster doesnt make much sense to the player, but listen, even the turks had ultraheavy troops, janisaries whose work was to be in the breach, while other janis where without armour at all and so on, but hey, in the game there are NO super heavy janis BECAUSE it ADDS flavour to the game. i mean, then you know, this are turks so they wont be having ultraheavy troops. thats all, they are better somewhere else.

but well... everyone yells like this and makes a new irish rooster with pretty stuff, repman installs it because it looks good and now we have this beatiful beast around.

im not complaining on repman, his mind has to be everywhere really, but you ppl can be a little more sensitive about what makes a game fun and whatnot

**Darviathar** · September 24, 2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by ivanhoex

i think you all should be voting towards taking out a lot of units from the game, like in the irish rooster than complaining for a lack of troops in a small faction.

factions like the irish or the teutons now have so many kind of troops "borrowed" from all around the world, that they seem to be like the only countries that were able to "adapt" their warfare system along the way.
like... what the hell are doing heavy noble scots pikemen in the rooster of teutons, i mean the irish is an absolute laugh, but the teutons are so close that indeed the "wrong units" are quite obvious

i mean, irish people, i know you want to play with ireland, and i know that having a poor rooster doesnt make much sense to the player, but listen, even the turks had ultraheavy troops, janisaries whose work was to be in the breach, while other janis where without armour at all and so on, but hey, in the game there are NO super heavy janis BECAUSE it ADDS flavour to the game. i mean, then you know, this are turks so they wont be having ultraheavy troops. thats all, they are better somewhere else.

but well... everyone yells like this and makes a new irish rooster with pretty stuff, repman installs it because it looks good and now we have this beatiful beast around.

im not complaining on repman, his mind has to be everywhere really, but you ppl can be a little more sensitive about what makes a game fun and whatnot

Irish Rooster? That might be a really effective unit...

Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee they come to kill the rooster, but he aint gonna die..............

The word you are looking for is ROSTER...