Communism, A Lesson in Logic

[Vladimir Lenin]

This is going to be a bit of a longwinded rant on the Evils of Communism, expect much satire, many quotes from Ayn Rand, and a Lenin with red skin. Speaking as a former Communist; I am well-versed in its literature, so if anyone wants to challenge it’s basic system.


The Communist Manifesto opens with the lines, “A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Communism. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, FrenchRadicals and Germanpolice-spies.”

Despite the errors, the Communist Manifesto does get one thing right, Communism would become a spectre, as in a dead soul without a real body.

Let’s look at what would happen in theory,

1. Revolution in-which the “Bourgeois” (everyone that did’nt work in a factory or anyone that made more then the lower side of Average Wages) Bourgeois supposedly either give up or are all executed.
2. Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the majority rules and gets what they want, everyone is treated equally, no one “owns” anything.
3. Decline of Dictatorship, beginning of no Government at all and complete Anarchy with Humans sharing and being kind.

Well Communism, gets number one done REALLY quickly, fortifies number two as fast as possible; however they seem to procrastinate number 3. Perhaps it’s all the Red Flag waving or maybe they were all got too busy singing the Internationale.

What one ends up with, is a big state centered Economy, an immensely powerful Military Arm, and a general Police State. Let’s look at why this happens,

• People don’t like not being in control: In other words, it’s good to be king.
• Communism would fall apart in about a year without this kind of Police State: In other words, it sucks not being able to get the Bread you were promised.

The main reason why Communism has always failed, and always will fail, is because the Government wants money, and they can make more money by trading Heavy Industries and the like, then they can trading Consumer Goods.

The Government wants to keep functioning, mainly because they want to hold the power, that evil “Greed” again in a People’s State.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Lenin: Alright, we’ve finally won! Now what shall we do with all the resources we have for all the people of Russia!
Trotsky: Let’s get us some awesome Dachas and then we can have the best of everything, then we’ll give the rest to Russia.
Lenin: Perfect plan! Then in order to make even more money we will start attacking Middle Class Farmers!
Stalin: Just make sure you leave enough of a Power Vacuum to allow an Evil Tyrant like me to take over and kill tons of People!
Lenin: Working on it right now!
Lenin: Yes, I believe we have successfully ****ed up Russia for the next Century or so.
Stalin: Perfect, now shall we massacare the innocent Czar who was just a poor confused man who’s only crime was to be born to the Romanov line?
Lenin: Alright, sure go take care of it, you’ll need practice at killing more Innocents.
Trotsky: Alright, Lenin, can you make sure that Stalin will get me to flee to mexico then have someone hit me in the head with a Pickaxe?
Lenin: Of course, for your loyalty you get to live a life of discomfort and exile!
Stalin: Killed them all, when are you going to die?
Lenin: Hold on, wait a few seconds.
Stalin does imitation of a spirit like Marx
Stalin: Good work on spreading the Revolution! (In eerie spooky voice)
Lenin: GOOD GOD IT”S MARX
Lenin dies of Heart Attack Instantly
Stalin chases Trotsky in a chase scene resembling that of a Scooby-Doo syle comedy.

The End!

[Vladimir Lenin]

[B]This picture is the new rallying cry of the Revolution.[/B]






Just because I picture this whenever I think of Lenin




Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
Ayn Rand
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Just as man can't exist without his body, so no rights can exist without the right to translate one's rights into reality, to think, to work and keep the results, which means: the right of property.
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Man's unique reward, however, is that while animals survive by adjusting themselves to their background, man survives by adjusting his background to himself.
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Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason.
Ayn Rand
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Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter.
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So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?
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[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
Ayn Rand

Thats why the Gilded age rocked.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Thats why the Gilded age rocked.

Precisely. God the Gilded Age was a good time. Yet it still was'nt enough, not by far.

[kev-o]

Off topic, but just who is John Galt. I've heard that he is a character in Atlas Shruged, but the wiki doesn't go into much detail. And I doen't feel like reading something that thick with concepts I am probably not gonna grasp.

[Kiljan Arslan]

John Galt the 1 dimensional Character of the horribly written novel Atlas shrugged who thinks that by refusing to head his company he could destroy the US.

[Vladimir Lenin]

John Galt the 1 dimensional Character of the horribly written novel Atlas shrugged who thinks that by refusing to head his company he could destroy the US.

John Galt, the Heroic Being who would not allow his productive Achievments to be destroyed by the Socialist U.S.

[kev-o]

Oi oi oi....lets not start debating about him. I just would like a good description of him. I have been seeing his name everywhere latlely (college sure brings out the academics in people). I was at Purdue and saw written in chalk in big letters on the ground "John Galt? **** John Galt." Some of my friends started to laugh at it, and I was befuddled.

[Kiljan Arslan]

BTW Kev-o if you ever find out whoever worte that give them my compliments because that book is ****. ANd the Charcter is this unbelievable.

Also your at Purdue? COngrads.

[kev-o]

Thanks for the congrats, but I went to Purdue for a debate torny. I'm at a little college called Wabash, about 30 minutes from Purdue.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Wabash!? Like the Wabash Cannon ball?

[kev-o]

Kinda. Its known as an all male liberal arts school and ranked as one of the top in the country.

[Maverick]

Kinda. Its known as an all male liberal arts school and ranked as one of the top in the country.

Must be tough going there as a conservative. All male is a big red flag for me attach liberal arts to that and .

I don't declare myself as either liberal or conservative, I don't make up my mind on an issue before I hear it, but that's just my cynical view of politics.

As for the actual debate here I'll write this little "lesson in logic": it doesn't exist. The next time a successful political candidate under any system appeals to the logic of the public to win votes or a successful marketing campaign appeals to the logic of the consumer to buy a product I want you to do (2) things (1) wake up and get out of bed(2) realize that people are incredibly stupid and a successful political revolution in the long run is going to be dependant on Joe six-pack's sensibilities, his capacity to think in addition to his ethos and pathos. I can't speak for Communism, I don't know that much about it but the Capitalists most valuable monopoly is their private (real) education. I've been to both public and private schools and public school is a lot of fun, I joked around with my friends, played on a few good school teams and was never challenged intellectually. Morality, right conduct whatever you want to call it we of course learn from our absentee parents who both work and from the church we don't go to. Knowledge is power, unless you come from here where it's living the most shallow, unexamined life possible. Anywho I gotta run out to buy another 60 inch plasma and then I'm going to get some implants and make fun of some homeless, Capitalism is *****in' .

[Kiljan Arslan]

Sorry I remember that I would sing along to it on a wesing cassete all the time when I was six .

[bubka]

This is going to be a bit of a longwinded rant on the Evils of Communism, expect much satire, many quotes from Ayn Rand, and a Lenin with red skin. Speaking as a former Communist; I am well-versed in its literature, so if anyone wants to challenge it’s basic system.


The Communist Manifesto opens with the lines, “A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Communism. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, FrenchRadicals and Germanpolice-spies.”

Despite the errors, the Communist Manifesto does get one thing right, Communism would become a spectre, as in a dead soul without a real body.

Let’s look at what would happen in theory,

1. Revolution in-which the “Bourgeois” (everyone that did’nt work in a factory or anyone that made more then the lower side of Average Wages) Bourgeois supposedly either give up or are all executed.
2. Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the majority rules and gets what they want, everyone is treated equally, no one “owns” anything.
3. Decline of Dictatorship, beginning of no Government at all and complete Anarchy with Humans sharing and being kind.

Well Communism, gets number one done REALLY quickly, fortifies number two as fast as possible; however they seem to procrastinate number 3. Perhaps it’s all the Red Flag waving or maybe they were all got too busy singing the Internationale.

What one ends up with, is a big state centered Economy, an immensely powerful Military Arm, and a general Police State. Let’s look at why this happens,

• People don’t like not being in control: In other words, it’s good to be king.
• Communism would fall apart in about a year without this kind of Police State: In other words, it sucks not being able to get the Bread you were promised.

The main reason why Communism has always failed, and always will fail, is because the Government wants money, and they can make more money by trading Heavy Industries and the like, then they can trading Consumer Goods.

The Government wants to keep functioning, mainly because they want to hold the power, that evil “Greed” again in a People’s State.

I see you are a fine former communist. I have been wondering now what led to the decline of communism in the last half of the last century, and I'm beginning to see light now.

Well Communism, gets number one done REALLY quickly, fortifies number two as fast as possible; however they seem to procrastinate number 3. Perhaps it’s all the Red Flag waving or maybe they were all got too busy singing the Internationale.

Are you really that dumb? The transition from socialism (Dictatorship of the Proletariat) to communism (Classless Society), during which the Bourgeois legacy is methodically wiped out, itself takes more than a hundred years, and never has been achieved yet. Anarchy comes even later. Don't you see the the degree of conscious evolution needed for an anarchy to work? The immensely powerful Military Arm (the legendary Red Army in which every healthy man must serve for some time) is necessary to keep out foreign intervening powers, and will be dissolved (along with country borders) once the government has been overthrown in all the countries. The Police are required to suppress counter revolutions while the Bourgeois still exist, and will be dissolved once the society is classless. It is then that the state withers away.

[Vladimir Lenin]

I see you are a fine former communist. I have been wondering now what led to the decline of communism in the last half of the last century, and I'm beginning to see light now.

Well Communism, gets number one done REALLY quickly, fortifies number two as fast as possible; however they seem to procrastinate number 3. Perhaps it’s all the Red Flag waving or maybe they were all got too busy singing the Internationale.

Are you really that dumb? The transition from socialism (Dictatorship of the Proletariat) to communism (Classless Society), during which the Bourgeois legacy is methodically wiped out, itself takes more than a hundred years, and never has been achieved yet. Anarchy comes even later. Don't you see the the degree of conscious evolution needed for an anarchy to work? The immensely powerful Military Arm (the legendary Red Army in which every healthy man must serve for some time) is necessary to keep out foreign intervening powers, and will be dissolved (along with country borders) once the government has been overthrown in all the countries. The Police are required to suppress counter revolutions while the Bourgeois still exist, and will be dissolved once the society is classless. It is then that the state withers away.

Ahhh,

Us damn fools, just did'nt give them long enough! We got all concerned with the mass genocide!

[Lavastein]

communism is the belief that man will not use reason to run his life.

[RusskiSoldat]

The main reason why Communism has always failed, and always will fail, is because the Government wants money, and they can make more money by trading Heavy Industries and the like, then they can trading Consumer Goods.

If that was true, the USSR would still be around.

Stalin: Perfect, now shall we massacare the innocent Czar who was just a poor confused man who’s only crime was to be born to the Romanov line?

I take great offense to this.
The last Tsar is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, and what's worse is that all the deaths he caused in the name of the country served only to destroy it.

Are you really that dumb? The transition from socialism (Dictatorship of the Proletariat) to communism (Classless Society), during which the Bourgeois legacy is methodically wiped out, itself takes more than a hundred years, and never has been achieved yet. Anarchy comes even later. Don't you see the the degree of conscious evolution needed for an anarchy to work? The immensely powerful Military Arm (the legendary Red Army in which every healthy man must serve for some time) is necessary to keep out foreign intervening powers, and will be dissolved (along with country borders) once the government has been overthrown in all the countries. The Police are required to suppress counter revolutions while the Bourgeois still exist, and will be dissolved once the society is classless. It is then that the state withers away.

You left out the part where the workers and peasants begin liking communism.
No, wait, it just never happened.
Nobody was ever loyal to communist ideals, and the communists knew this. There were two popular things about communism: Stalin (who was fanatically beloved and still is by many of generations old enough to remember him) and Russia itself.

Us damn fools, just did'nt give them long enough! We got all concerned with the mass genocide!

Capitalist or not, no need to talk out of your ass.
The early phases of revolutionary terror usually ended as the first generation of leaders died, what collapsed in 1991 was not the revolutionary terror state of 1917, but a developed and civilized country with an economy that first ground to a halt, and then began falling apart.

communism is the belief that man will not use reason to run his life.

If that was the case, I'd be a communist.
Absolutely all of us try to use reason, but most of our decisions are based on prejudices of one sort or another.
It's called "human nature".

[Kiljan Arslan]

Oh no the communist apologist Ih ate your kind even more than Randoids.