Issue with Praetorian Infantry Unit

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Greetings,

I’d just like to congratulate you guys for how brilliant this mod is, this Mod is the only reason I’m not playing MTWII. I’d just like to bring up an issue with your current Praetorian Guard unit.

Now as you may no there is a very limited amount of information on the Praetorian Guard although one interesting source giving us some enlightenment on this issue would be an event which occurred in 69 CE. Where two Praetorian Soldiers—who endeavoured to disguise themselves as regular legionaries in order to infiltrate the lines of an opposing roman army.

To blend in with the enemy legionaries, the Guardsmen picked up shields from the enemy dead and were able to successfully reach their objective without being identified as hostile.

This suggests that a Praetorian solider only really needed to trade shields with an enemy in order to pass as a regular solider, meaning the differences in Praetorian armour and legionary armour must not have been to significant

This could show that the praetorian units used in the mod are not quite correct considering they are distantly different from other 35 legions.

http://www.redrampant.com/roma/praetorian.html This is an artists depiction of a praetorian. As you can see the equipment is very similar to a normal legionary apart from the republican style shield and the Crest.

I believe the current praetorian Calvary unit used would be a suitable replacement for the infantry unit, if it had a shield modification

Thankyou for your time and I’d like again like to congratulate you on the brilliance of this mod.

Quintus

[rory o'kane]

the roman's aren't getting re-done much in RS 2.0 - we've got far too much work with all the other factions. so if this gets fixed, it will be just before release. it's not exactly high on our list of priorities, sorry!

[Spartan 666]

there are tons of different praetorians,and there are many similar to what you say...maybe you wanna implement them...

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

May you please direct me to a link ?

Thanks

[Spartan 666]

i ve always been quite unable to post links,images etc etc...if you go to the DOWNLOADS section you ll find a lot of roman skins...i think the "MODDING LEGIONS" mod has the praetorians you want but i m not sure

[Tankbuster]

One other issue with the Praetorian Infantry.
Exekutor pointed out in his AAR (Peace and Prosperity, it's REAAAALLY good) that Praetorians actually have lower stats than other legionaries... this isn't realistic, is it?

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Well Offically Praetorians were considered allways offically a higher grade of soilder than a standard legionary but unoffically they were regarded with much discontent. Many people seeing them as "idle buggers" really, While people saw the legions as the reason for Romes Power.

[aja5191]

They were basically the police for Rome.

Kinda like SWAT, I guess.

[dvk901]

People, you are confusing Urban Cohorts with Praetorians...the Urban Cohorts were the police and fire brigade of Rome.

As for the Praetorians, MUCH time was spent researching them...and one instance of their infiltrating an enemy camp certainly doesn't negate all the research we've done. Whose to say they didn't change their armor as well?

It is a known fact that the Praetorians actually had TWO sets of armor...or you might say 'uniforms'....a battle one, and a 'Dress Uniform'. These were an elite and proud group of men who were in theory, the best of the best Legionaries. I suppose that they weren't as good as ALL the other Legionaries at ALL times...but consider this: Why did Emperor Constantine disband them and totally DESTROY their Fortress in Rome if they were NOT to be feared?

I'm sure one could argue about the minor details of color, armor and semantics forever about them, but what I've tried to portray in RS is a very special and powerful Roman military unit; elite and set apart from all the others, and one to be feared even by Emperors and their Legions.

If their texture isn't to your liking, OK. You're free to change it. I have used their 'Dress' uniform I suppose, as their texture...which is wrong, but portrays their 'differentness' nonetheless.

If they aren't 'animal' enough to suit...Hmmmmm, they will be in the next version...believe me!!! But bear in mind that their unit numbers are also lower than regular Legions.

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Mis post...Sorry

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Thank you DVK.

Also I’ve been looking at the units from the mod Spartan 666 was talking about, the Praetorians are definitely more how one would expect them to look on the battle field. I’m most likely going to export the Praetorian unit from “ML” to RS, I’m just wondering if anyone will be able to direct me to the Praetorian files in RS I’d need to overwrite to implement this properly.

Btw one of the main reasons for the Praetorians to be so feared was not because they were such brilliant soldiers but the fact that such a large mass of soldiers were so close to Rome, basically allowing them to dispose of them as any Emperor as they pleased. The Schola Palatine the unit that Constantine established as the new Imperial Body Guard. were a much smaller unit and mainly of barbarian heritage making them far less dangerous

Also DVK The Urban Cohors did not really act as the fire brigade that was left to the Vigiles another unit established by Augustus, mainly compromising of freed slaves. Commanded by an Equestrian Prefect.

Thanks
Quintus

[dvk901]

Thank you DVK.

Also I’ve been looking at the units from the mod Spartan 666 was talking about, the Praetorians are definitely more how one would expect them to look on the battle field. I’m most likely going to export the Praetorian unit from “ML” to RS, I’m just wondering if anyone will be able to direct me to the Praetorian files in RS I’d need to overwrite to implement this properly.

Also DVK The Urban Cohors did not really act as the fire brigrade that was left to the Vigiles another unit established by Augustus, mainly compromising of freed slaves. Commanded by an Equestrian Prefect.

Thanks
Quintus

It depends.....before the Vigiles they did so. But you're right, Augustus changed that. And here's where you need to make changes (in DMB.txt):


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Begin Praetorians;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
type roman_praetorian_cohort ;;;this is used ONLY by PRAETORIAN COHORTS ROME
skeleton fs_javelinman, fs_s1_slow_gladius
indiv_range 40
texture romans_brutii, data/models_unit/textures/imperial/sor_roman_praetorian_cohort_rebel.tga
model_flexi_m data/models_unit/SoR_Praetorian_fixed.cas, 15
model_flexi_m data/models_unit/SoR_Praetorian_fixed.cas, 30
model_flexi_m data/models_unit/SoR_Praetorian_fixed.cas, 40
model_flexi data/models_unit/SoR_Praetorian_fixed.cas, max
model_sprite romans_brutii, 60.0, data/sprites/romans_julii_roman_praetorian_cohort_i_sprite.spr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

And also, whoever said they sucked was right. It has been corrected.

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Thanks for your time mate...much appreciated Once again love the mod <3

[Quintius Lucius Cato]

Ok after nearly destroying my RS file, with my amatuer skills I managed to get the Praetorian unit in RS from Modding Legions.



Thanks again for your help DVK.

[Spartan 666]

QUINTIUS, what did you use,the PRAETORIAN COHORT or the URBAN COHORT? they both look like what you wanted,dont they?

[Exekutor]

And also, whoever said they sucked was right. It has been corrected.

May I ask how you changed them?

[spirit_of_rob]

If RS is still using my Praetorians I never claim for accuracy in my private units i just make what I want how I want

[aja5191]

Dam.n...I thought I would know Roman information after working with DVK for almost a year now...

[dvk901]

Amen, and that's why they're in there! They look awesome.

[MarcusTullius]

Amen, and that's why they're in there! They look awesome.

Ditto!