If this was 200 years ago would we all be bashing Britain here?

[Rush Limbaugh]

If this was 200 years ago would we all be bashing Britain here? I think so. So much to complain about no? Makes even the US these days look like a choir boy. The more I look around the world the more problems I see they set in motion.

[removeduser_487563287433]

The perceived anti-americanism on this forum is largely a self-perpetuating anxiety feuled by threads complaining about anti-americanism. It doesn't exist on any significant scale.

[Shaun]

The perceived anti-americanism on this forum is largely a self-perpetuating anxiety feuled by threads complaining about anti-americanism. It doesn't exist on any significant scale.

So true. Some on the American right need to stop seeing what they wish to be seeing (Anti-Americanism from Euro-commies) and start seeing what is actually there (some criticism of American policies by all sorts of people, both right and left, both American and European).

[Rush Limbaugh]

as this thread shows, also its funny as rush just posted an article blaiming britain for arab-jewish hatred

What do you think put the idea in my head? Every where I look they did not do a sterling job with the parts of the world they took over.

[removeduser_487563287433]

What do you think put the idea in my head? Every where I look they did not do a sterling job with the parts of the world they took over.

Yes. Abolishing the slave trade, founding practically every non-European democracy, two centuries of social, scientific and philosophical advancement. :wub:s.

[Caelius]

The perceived anti-americanism on this forum is largely a self-perpetuating anxiety feuled by threads complaining about anti-americanism. It doesn't exist on any significant scale.

Such a statement will only be factual when this forum stops seeing threads like "Why does America command other countries around...", "America is an Empire", and other anti-American/Blame America First slanted trash.

Until then such words are meaningless, and perhaps some of the non-Americans on this forum can begin to understand the frustration many American posters (regardless of political affiliation) express when such topics pop up.

There's no need for me to name names (the posters know who they are), but you'd be deluding yourself if you think that there aren't people here who don't ardently express such views. Calling them out on such things is not wrong in any way.

[SigniferOne]

What do you think put the idea in my head? Every where I look they did not do a sterling job with the parts of the world they took over.

Rush -- ok some people would disagree, but I think normally you're a decent and level-headed guy, and frequently make valid points. But no, I am not going to read the 54,000 pages of this thread, I'm going to bypass the rampant attacks on America for 53,000 of those pages (attacks which Ferrtes says do not exist, and then proceeds to eagerly take part in). I'm going to go back to post 1, to the very heart of the the actual thread in question.

In what sense, how can you possibly blame the British for the Arab conflict. Are the Arabs simple automatons, helpless and forced into following the parameters set by others? Or is their conflict more properly attributed to them, to the backward and very low state of their culture at the present time (and for the last 800 years)? It just baffles the mind, Rush, where your priorities and your blame lie.

Yes British conquered Middle East, they pwned it in fact, but so what? "The strong did what they could, the weak suffered what they must." Have you heard that? It's by Thucydides, 2,500 years old. There was nothing wrong with conquest, to a person who is broad-minded and historically literate. In fact many parts of that conquest, such as the battle with Africans at Rorke's Drift, are the highest examples of heroism, preserved forever in movies like Zulu and Gunga Din.

But, fine, conquest happened. now what? What do we do with the facts as they are laid out on the table? Are the Arabs inanimate autonomous drones, that must exist within parameters set for them by others? Are they incapable of reaching agreements and re-drawing borders to their satisfaction? Is there one country in the Middle East, aside from UAE, that is even remotely worthy of compassion? And did any of these barbaric, primitive countries acquire their cultures due to the British? In fact any prominence these countries have at all, is exclusively to British and Americans, and would be dirt poor, forgotten and laughed at by the world, were it not for Anglo-American ingenuity, technical capability, education, and infusion of culture which they emplaced on the utterly backwards arabic peninsula. They infused their culture and then they left, and the Arabs immediately resumed comitting their mindless atrocities and inane acts and ways of living that they've been practicing for 800 years.

And then Rush, the level-headed guy, comes up here and declares British to be the source of all bad things. And then he says he likes them.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

So true. Some on the American right need to stop seeing what they wish to be seeing (Anti-Americanism from Euro-commies) and start seeing what is actually there (some criticism of American policies by all sorts of people, both right and left, both American and European).

You have obviously never met Holger Danske.

[Shaun]

You have obviously never met Holger Danske.

So he is the whole anti-America issue, the people who think that anti-Americanism is rife think so only because we have one poster like that? I'm sorry, but that does not constitute as 'rife anti-Americanism'.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

So he is the whole anti-America issue, the people who think that anti-Americanism is rife think so only because we have one poster like that? I'm sorry, but that does not constitute as 'rife anti-Americanism'.

I felt that name dropping would have neen pointless so I took the most extreme example.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

No doubt, damn the top dog.

[danzig]

If this was 200 years ago would we all be bashing Britain here? I think so. So much to complain about no? Makes even the US these days look like a choir boy. The more I look around the world the more problems I see they set in motion.

Yep and 50-100 years from now our sons/daughters will all be bashing the Chinese.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

We should be doing that already, damn Communist bastards.

[Vladimir Lenin]

We should be doing that already, damn Communist bastards.

I agree with you... damn socialst bastards....

[Gary88]

what you mean like we already do?

The perceived anti-americanism on this forum is largely a self-perpetuating anxiety feuled by threads complaining about anti-americanism. It doesn't exist on any significant scale.

as this thread shows, also its funny as rush just posted an article blaiming britain for arab-jewish hatred

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

what you mean like we already do?



as this thread shows, also its funny as rush just posted an article blaiming britain for arab-jewish hatred

Yeah but several times more, some of the US-bashing energy should be wasted on bashing China instead.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Probally we'd be bashing britain and france.

[Shaun]

Questions about people signatures should be done via PM, rather than in this thread.

[PooFoo]

If this was 200 years ago we would be bashing Napoleon and the first French empire...

[Rush Limbaugh]

Yes. Abolishing the slave trade, founding practically every non-European democracy, two centuries of social, scientific and philosophical advancement. :wub:s.

Hitler did a lot of good things as well. The point is the top dog is always the number one target.. Every Empire through out history has claimed to have civilised the world. But at what price?