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    Default Parsonism: The Philosophy of Ava. Fed.

    The Introduction:

    A Man Who Had No Eyes:
    by MacKinlay Kantor
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    A beggar was coming down the avenue just as Mr. Parsons emerged from his hotel.

    He was a blind beggar. carrying the traditional battered cane and thumping his way before him with the cautious, half-furtive effort of the sightless. He was shaggy, thick-necked fellow; his coat was greasy about the lapels and pockets, and his hand splayed over the cane's crook with a futile sort of clinging. he wore a black pouch slung over his shoulder. Apparently he had something to sell.

    The air was rich with spring; sun was warm and yellowed on the asphalt. Mr. Parsons standing there in front of his hotel and noting the clack-clack approach of the sightless man, felt a sudden and foolish pity for all blind creatures.

    And thought Mr. Parsons, he was very glad to be alive. A few years ago he had been little more than a skilled laborer; now he was successful, respected, admired...Insurance...

    And he had done it alone, unaided, struggling beneath handicaps... And he was still young. The blue air of spring, fresh from its memories of windy pools and lush shrubbery, could thrill him with eagerness.

    He took a step forward just as the tap-tapping blind man passed him by. Quickly the shabby fellow turned.

    "Listen guv'nor. Just a minute of your time."

    Mr. Parsons said, "It's late. I have an appointment. Do you want me to give you something."

    "I ain't no beggar, guv'nor. You bet I ain't. I got a handy little article here."
    - he fumbled until he could press a small object into Mr. Parsons' hand - "That I sell. One buck. Best cigarette lighter made.

    Mr. Parsons stood there somewhat annoyed and embarassed. He was a handsome figure, with his immaculate gray suit and gray hat and malacca stick. Of course the man with the cigarette lighters could not see him...
    "But I don't smoke," he said.

    "Listen. I bet you know plenty people who smoke. Nice little present." wheedled the man. "And mister you would'nt mind helping a poor guy out?" He clung to Mr. Parsons' sleeve.

    Mr. Parsons sighed and felt in his vest pocket. He brought two half dollars and pressed them into the man's hand. "Chertainly. I'll help you out. As you say , I can give it to someone. Maybe the elevator boy would -" He hesitated not wishing to be boorish and inquistive even with a blind peddler.
    "Have you lost your sight entirely?"

    The shabby man pcoketed the two half dollars. "Fourteen years, guv'nor." Then he added with an insane sort of pride: "Westbury, sir. I was one of 'em."

    "Westbury," repearted Mr. Parsons. "Ah yes the chemical explosion... the papers haven't mentioned it for years. But at one time it was supposed to be one of the greatest disasters in-"

    "They've all forgotten about it." the fellow shifted his feet wearily. "I tell you, guv'nor, a man who was in it don't forget about it. last thing I ever saw was C shop going up in one grand smudge, and that awful gas pouring in at all the busted windows."

    Mr. Parsons coughed. But the blindpeddler was caught up with the train of his one dramatic reminiscence. And he was also thinking there was more half dollars in Mr. Parsons' pockedt.

    "Just think about it, guv'nor. There was a hundred and eight people killed, about two hundred injured and over fifty of them lost their eyes. Blind as bats-" He groped forward until his dirty hand rested against Mr. Parsons' coat. " I tell you, sir, there was'nt nothing worse than that in the war. If I had lost my eyes in the war , okay. I would have been well taken care of. But I was just a workman, working for what was in it. And I got it. You're so right I got it, while the Capitalists were making their dough! They was all insured, don't worry about that. They-"

    "Insured," repeated his listener.
    Yes. That's what I sell-"

    You want to know how I lost my eyes?" cried the man. "Well here it is!" His words fell with the bitter and studied drama of a story often told, and told for money. "I was there in C shop, last of all the folks rushing out. Out in the air there was a chance, even with buildings exploding right and left. A lot of guys made it safe iut the door and got away. And just when I was about there crawling along between those big vats a guy behind me grabs my leg. He says, ' let me past, you---!' Maybe he was nuts, I dunno. I try to forgive him in my heart, guv'nor. But he was bigger then me. He hauls me back and climbs right over me! Tramples me into the dirt. And he gets out, and I lie there with all that poison gas pouring down on all sides of me, and flame and stuff..."

    The beggar swallowed - a studied sob - and stood dumbly expectant. He could imagine the next words: Tough luck, my man. Awfully tough. Now I want you to have....
    "And thats the story guv'nor."

    The spring wind shrilled past them, damp and quavering.

    "Not quite." said Mr. Parsons.

    The blind peddler shivered crazily. "Not quite? What you mean, you-?"

    "The story is true," Mr. Parsons said, "except that it was the other way around."

    "Other way around?" The peddler coraked un-amiably.
    "Say, guv'nor-"

    "I was in C shop." said Mr. Parsons. "It was the other way around. You were the fellow who hauled back on me and climbed over me. You were bigger than I was, Markwardt."

    The blind man stood for a long time, swallowing hoarsely. He gulped: "Parsns. By heaven! By heaven! I thought you-" And then he screamed like a fiend from hell, "Yes. Maybe so. Maybe so. But I'm blind! I'm blind, and you've been standing here let me spoutto you, and laughing at me every minute! I deserve pity! I'm blind!"

    People in the street turned to stare at him.

    "You got away Parsons, but I'm blind! Do you hear? I'm-"

    "Well," said Mr. Parsons, "don't make such a row about it Markwardt.... So am I."
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    The actions of Parsons through out his life after the accident in Westbury is what Parsonism is based on.

    He could have been a bitter man, and searched for the pity of all the others like Markwardt. But no, he faced his handicaps, and struggled and succeded, he was unaided, and had done it alone, society had not helped him. That is fundamental to Parsonism, you depend upon yourself, and not society to get you through.

    However, Parsons does not spit on everyone that is poor and mock them, he takes some pity for the poor fellow and buys the cigarette lighter. However he buys it, he does not give, he buys. That is an important section of Parsonism, a Parsonist does not give, unless he believes that the cause which he is giving to his a higher value then that of his money.

    Parsons is also polite and takes the time to talk to the poor fellow and show a little bit of empathy, Parsons could have walked away or ignored him, but he stayed and listened. Another important section of Parsonism is the Empathy that we need to have, a Parsonist can say, "Oh that's horrible I'm so sorry." But he will not give.

    Another important part of Parsonism is the fact that Parsons went beyond his blindness, he worked hard and he succeded. That's the fundamental part of Parsonism, the importance of hard work, and having a good work ethic.


    Now that you have a firmer understanding of what Paronism is, I'll start going in-depth on more of Parsonism.
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    Letting Go:

    A big part of Paronism is the ability to move on, we have all made mistakes in the past, and we have all been slighted by someone at some point in time. The important thing we have to realise is that no mistake, no matter how bad, can ruin your life completely. These can make your life much harder, but it can not ruin your life.

    You can marry badly, do crack, kill people, steal, be an ass, I don't care. But your life is not ruined. You have to admit you made mistakes in the past and not repeat them again.

    The same principle applies to a thief or the, "Markwardt" in your life that pulled you back and climbed over you. Move on, the only thing that, the Markwardt could do is kill you, and if that happens there is no use to reading this.

    Parsonism believes that your life, is the greatest asset, and greatest gift you have, the "Human Ability" like Parsons ability and persistence to sell Insurance even though he was blind is just an example of what "Human Ability" can accomplish.
    Last edited by Vladimir Lenin; September 14, 2007 at 08:17 PM.
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    "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end." -Leon Trotsky

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    Empathy for your Fellow Man:

    The Human Body, is a work of art. The fingers you have to be able to type, write, eat, play, and touch with. Just look at man's body, and man's mind, these are great works of art. Human ability is often oppresed because we view ourselves poorly.

    We must also be kind, to others, however I strongly believe NO ONE has a moral obligation to donate money.

    Parsons, buys the cigarette lighter to help him out, it is commerce, it is not a grant, gift, aid, or subsidy. Parsons pays him money, and Markwardt gives him his product.

    A Parsonist, does not believe that grants, gifts, and subsidies help man. It is much better for a man to have self-esteem and be a merchant and gain skills, then for him to just hand over two half-dollars. It turns a beggar into a buisnessman, he is now a Captain of Industry and owns a buisness, he is making Capital.

    In fact there is a program I love and participate in, Micro-loans to buisnesses in South America, Latin America, Aisa, and Africa. It is in sums of less then 200 dollars and the buisness owner pays back the loan dollars and cents at a time.

    It helps the buisnessmen, the loaner will get to feel good for helping his fellow man, and the society will benefit from the added commerce of the buisness.

    That program is in the spirit of Parsonism. Parsonism is not about being a pig, and abusing your fellow man, it's about teaching man skills and getting them to become good buisnessman through programs such as Community Education, because then the instructors are paid by the class takers, and the class takers are given a better knowledge on how to run a buisness, or play basketball etc.

    A Parsonist feels empathy for some, but for a person like Markwardt, the Parsonist should feel no compassion, a man that lies and begs for pity money is something no Parsonist should support.
    Last edited by Vladimir Lenin; September 16, 2007 at 07:47 AM.
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    "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end." -Leon Trotsky

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    The Will To Work:

    A Parsonist will look at Parsons, and then at Markwardt, and realize who the better man is. The man that reshaped his life and worked hard, or the man who figures it's "his right" to be given money and for people to feel pity upon him.

    One will be productive and a benefit to society through out his entire life, the other will be a drain on society.

    The diffrence between the two is that Parsons had the will to work and struggle, he plowed his way through the obstacles working harder and harder, until, it started getting easier for him, because he had worked so hard at selling insurance it became easier for him.

    Where as Markwardt believed he "deserved" pity money, and that because he was "one of em'" from Westbury he "deserved" to be taken care of.

    The one that believed he "deserved" for being in the Westbury accident is the one that deserved the success the least. Parsons, worked hard, got his act together, and did'nt beleive he deserved the money until he finally had worked hard enough.

    To sum it up, the Parsonist believes he deserves nothing until he has done the work for it.
    Last edited by Vladimir Lenin; September 14, 2007 at 08:35 PM.
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    The Economy to A Parsonist:


    A Parsonist believes firmly in free trade and is against most taxes, other then a consumption tax or a flat rate tax. The reason being is that the Income Tax steals from a man's productivity, you are taking what he earned. A consumption tax would be a sales tax, this would be an incentive to not only stop spending money, but to save it away. The more frugal a man is the less money he loses. A flat rate tax would be a lump sum, of say, 5,000 dollars a year.

    The Parsonist believes in Capitalism:

    The reason why the Parsonist supports the Capitalist system is the simple fact that, A is A. No matter how much people try, we are all doing the things we do for two reasons, Self-desire, and Fear. And when the economy is ruled by a primitive emotion like Fear, bad things happen. (I.e Miners strike of 1984 was largely about fear from both sides:
    1. Miners did'nt want to lose their jobs, they had no other skills
    2. Government was afraid of others striking so they clamped down hard.)

    The Government should act as an Umpire, fighting fraud, and counterfeit currency production, as well as robbery. Take for example the role of the U.S early on, they had a few tariffs, a few taxes on certain goods but largely they had low taxes, and played the role of the Umpire fighting fraud and such.

    The Government should act only as the Umpire, no more, keep your hands off. Look at what has happened in Controlled Economies:
    1. Offically, the country does very poorly
    2. A counter economy is then created, a large network of a Black Market.

    Everyone should have free access and entrance into the Free Market. This is just the right to start a buisness and do trading, and also be able to jump out quickly as well.

    The "invisible hand" refers to the ability of the market to correct for seemingly disastrous situations with no intervention on the part of government or other organizations. The invisible hand uses human self-intrest to the best way possible.


    In short the Parsonist does not want Government interference in the Economy.
    Last edited by Vladimir Lenin; September 16, 2007 at 07:44 AM.

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    You are going completely out of your way to tell that you don't want to help others and that you want to be greedy. It's your right to make as many threads as you wish, but do you really think it is necessary to say the same thing over and over again in case someone "converts" to (what is in your mind) a superior philosophy about socioeconomics?

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    You skipped the section on Human Empathy I assume?

    Also everything before this was merely an Overture to the Parsonism thread.
    Last edited by Vladimir Lenin; September 14, 2007 at 09:19 PM.
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    By definition empathy should not include the transaction of goods. Otherwise it is bad business. Empathy is caring for your fellow human who is in real need. Caring, as in helping him, no strings attached. A loan is not empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythos View Post
    By definition empathy should not include the transaction of goods. Otherwise it is bad business. Empathy is caring for your fellow human who is in real need. Caring, as in helping him, no strings attached. A loan is not empathy.
    It betters the man, he knows how to manage money a little bit better.

    And I don't believe buying something like a Cigarette Lighter or flowers for a dollar is that ruinous of a buisness deal.

    The important thing about the loan program is that it's non-profit, you get paid the money back in full, and everyone benefits.

    Where as someone who does'nt work for their money becomes a beggar.
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    Sigh, the main thing about Parsonism is it supports,

    1. Human Ability and Egoism
    2. Capitalism
    3. Change perceptions of aid
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    I'm all for it. I think people gravely underestimate the potential of the human mind constantly.
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    Yey! Finally a fellow Parsonist!
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    It's not absolute nonsense, but much too simplistic to be worth real consideration. You can't just say you're against taxes without going into detail about all the effects such a policy would have and analysing those effects, nor can you just say "Parson supports empathy' because everyone supports empathy. State the aspects of your philosophy that are actually unique.
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    2) The merit of an achievement is the product of (a) its intrinsic quality, and (b) the ability of its creator.
    3) The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.
    4) The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.
    5) Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can conceive a greater being — namely, one who created everything while not existing.
    6) Therefore, God does not exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKwas View Post
    It's not absolute nonsense, but much too simplistic to be worth real consideration. You can't just say you're against taxes without going into detail about all the effects such a policy would have and analysing those effects, nor can you just say "Parson supports empathy' because everyone supports empathy. State the aspects of your philosophy that are actually unique.
    I'm a 14 year old, who wrote this in twenty minutes, give me some more time.
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    It does make sense, but I do not agree with it. Why? Because I myself rely on grants to go to school. You say they do not help man, but if with these grants I go one to finish my education and become a part of the economy, does it not help? Or should I go work somewhere to pay for my school, or get loans?

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    Get loans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avarius Federalus View Post
    Get loans.
    I'll take the grants.

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    Who pays for your grants?

    Now before you answer, "My state", "The U.S". Think about who is really paying for that Grant. Other people's taxes, the work and labour of another man is getting you through College for free?

    Does that sound right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Who pays for your grants?

    Now before you answer, "My state", "The U.S". Think about who is really paying for that Grant. Other people's taxes, the work and labour of another man is getting you through College for free?

    Does that sound right?
    School should be free anyway.

    note: only about 20% of my education is subsidized. the rest is loans.

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    I'm a 14 year old
    now it all makes sense
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