Earning money. Is the system fair?

[Valentin the II]

No it isnt (atleast in my opinion).
People in different profesions just recieve different sums of money without reguard to different factors that make their job difecult.
Why would an electrician recieve 20 thousand sheckels when a doctor gets just 8? It just seems so random.
Thats why I made up a system to calculate how much money a man should recieve, here it is:

First of all, there are 5 basic amounts of money.
1 (the lowest) is for underaged workers.
The other 4 are progresivly higher sums.
People get promoted from 1 sum to the other the longer they work (more expirienced workers get more money). When the final and the highest sum is for the workers that are soon to retire (so that they could save up something for later).
Now, these 5 basic sums can be encreased by up to 200%, dipending on these parameters:

-Fisical strain (how much you use your body during work): 30%
-Mental strain (how big of an emotional efect does the job have on a person): 30%
-Intelectual strain (how much you have to think): 30%
-Danger (how risky is the job): 30%
-Preperation time (how much time do you have to study/prepare for the job): 40%
-Work hours: 40%

Now, with these parameters everyone would get what they deserve.
What do you think?

[Jabberwock]

Apparently, it's not fair in Israel.

[Valentin the II]

Apparently, it's not fair in Israel.

Thank you for another of-topic (negative) coment about Israel.
Where would this thread be without you?

Who would be in charge of deciding how much "strain" and danger occur at your job?

Goverment oficials obviously.
They will be at the workplace for a week or so, and revew each parameter separatly.
For each revew you'll have to have several goverment oficials and a higher ranking one to aprove their score (so that it'll be hard to "cheat")

To everyone else:
Why is this a bad idea?
Im not talking about buisnesmen, how they profit from their corporations is their buisnes.
Im talking about goverment workers and emploees of said corporations, there is no reason for a manager geting more money then a surgeon (unless he's an expirienced one, then he's base amount will be larger)

Please tell me what negative efect will this system have on our society?

[Evariste]

Goverment oficials obviously.
They will be at the workplace for a week or so, and revew each parameter separatly.
For each revew you'll have to have several goverment oficials and a higher ranking one to aprove their score (so that it'll be hard to "cheat")

What systems will be put into place so that the thousands of inspectors score every job in exactly the same way? How will these scores work, anyway? Are they the same for each job, or are they different to account for a variety of employee lifestyles and mindsets? Would a job that requires a lot of traveling pay more for someone who has a family and is strained "more" emotionally than a bachelor? If an idiot has a hard time doing the simple calculations that are required of a store clerk, would they be paid more than an intelligent person who views the same tasks as mental drudgery? Who will pay for these thousands of inspectors? What about the thousands more who will be required to regulate the decisions of the inspectors? Who gets to decide how much the inspectors make?

I look at the system that you propose and see flaw after flaw after flaw.


EDIT: I just noticed a few more. I don't see any sort of incentives to working "harder" than average. Humanity runs on incentives. It seems that the only chance for a raise in pay comes from age. Why would an employee go above and beyond what's asked of him if he's going to get the same amount of money until he reaches a pre-determined age bracket? Another thing, how does the employer fit into all this? What if they can't afford to pay their employees the amount of money that the government makes them?

[Valentin the II]

Another? Don't know if you have noticed but I just joined this forum.

Negative? Stating a fact isn't negative, you said it yourself it isn't fair. The world doesn't run off Isreali economics, thus:

I was just refiring to the fact that every time Israel is mentioned in a thread someone has to cretisize it.
Atleast you didnt make a coment about the palestinians, I give you that.

What systems will be put into place so that the thousands of inspectors score every job in exactly the same way? How will these scores work, anyway? Are they the same for each job, or are they different to account for a variety of employee lifestyles and mindsets? Would a job that requires a lot of traveling pay more for someone who has a family and is strained "more" emotionally than a bachelor? If an idiot has a hard time doing the simple calculations that are required of a store clerk, would they be paid more than an intelligent person who views the same tasks as mental drudgery? Who will pay for these thousands of inspectors? What about the thousands more who will be required to regulate the decisions of the inspectors? Who gets to decide how much the inspectors make?

I look at the system that you propose and see flaw after flaw after flaw.


EDIT: I just noticed a few more. I don't see any sort of incentives to working "harder" than average. Humanity runs on incentives. It seems that the only chance for a raise in pay comes from age. Why would an employee go above and beyond what's asked of him if he's going to get the same amount of money until he reaches a pre-determined age bracket? Another thing, how does the employer fit into all this? What if they can't afford to pay their employees the amount of money that the government makes them?

1) The system is very easy to make and sins several inspectors will be cheking the same place the opinion will be (mostly) nutral.
2) The scores are the same for each job (thats the whole point).
Also there will be sings that influence them like family (lone mothers for instance) but this will not take into acount the fisical or mental condition of the worker (if your not fit for the job, dont aply).
3) The 3 (out of 5) base income levels will be able to be raised acording to the workers preformance.
The last one will be given before retiremnt and only if the person deservs it, so....yeh I think there will be iniciative.
4) We could take the inspectors from the unemploid masses with a wage thats just abit higher than what they'r geting right now.
To make things better we could cancel all pay to unemploid people.
Make them work for their money, the work would be short (short work hours) and simple like making gravel or gathering materials from dumps to be resicled.
All job aplications will be submited to a goverment buro and from their people will be able to apply to diferent jobs.
These mesuers will reduce the crime rate and probably save the countrie alot of money.

Great post btw! +rep.

[Justice and Mercy]

No.

That's stupid.

You don't have to put it in percentages like that, just look at how much resources they put into it, and what the agreed terms are.

For instance, the guy who used the majority of what he had to start a business deserves a huge amount of the profits, because it was HIM who put his future on the line to start it.

[Big War Bird]

Very poor idea, amoung the the very worst I have ever seen. Correction. It is the worst idea I have ever seen.

The only factors that should determine a wage is supply and demand and all that those imply.

[Evariste]

Who would be in charge of deciding how much "strain" and danger occur at your job?

[Jabberwock]

Thank you for another offtopic (negative) coment about Israel.
Where would this thread be without you?

Another? Don't know if you have noticed but I just joined this forum.

Negative? Stating a fact isn't negative, you said it yourself it isn't fair. The world doesn't run off Isreali economics, thus:

Apparently, it's not fair in Israel.

In America, a doctor has one of the highest paying jobs.

So, this thread is more about how it's not fair in Israel.

[Freddie]

No it isnt (atleast in my opinion).
People in different profesions just recieve different sums of money without reguard to different factors that make their job difecult.
Why would an electrician recieve 20 thousand sheckels when a doctor gets just 8? It just seems so random.
Thats why I made up a system to calculate how much money a man should recieve, here it is:

First of all, there are 5 basic amounts of money.
1 (the lowest) is for underaged workers.
The other 4 are progresivly higher sums.
People get promoted from 1 sum to the other the longer they work (more expirienced workers get more money). When the final and the highest sum is for the workers that are soon to retire (so that they could save up something for later).
Now, these 5 basic sums can be encreased by up to 200%, dipending on these parameters:

-Fisical strain (how much you use your body during work): 30%
-Mental strain (how big of an emotional efect does the job have on a person): 30%
-Intelectual strain (how much you have to think): 30%
-Danger (how risky is the job): 30%
-Preperation time (how much time do you have to study/prepare for the job): 40%
-Work hours: 40%

Now, with these parameters everyone would get what they deserve.
What do you think?

What do you think of the concept of ‘supply and demand’? An electrician who works on the underground (in the UK) at the moment earns the same amount if not more then a GP, simply because there aren’t enough electricians around.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

More like 100 % depending on how long you have studied/how successful you are.
I like it the way it is now.

[Valentin the II]

More like 100 % depending on how long you have studied/how successful you are.

But its not like that now!
If we have fiwer electricians or teachers they suddenly get more than they deserve becaws of all the suply and demand thing.
Its just not fair.

[Freddie]

But its not like that now!
If we have fiwer electricians or teachers they suddenly get more than they deserve becaws of all the suply and demand thing.
Its just not fair.

I don't get this. Why shouldn't they get they more?

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

But its not like that now!
If we have fiwer electricians or teachers they suddenly get more than they deserve becaws of all the suply and demand thing.
Its just not fair.

Yes it is, that's exelent. Supply and demand is what keeps the economy rolling.

don't you live in russia now Russki? I bet that's a foreign idea out there.

Yes, that must be why his signature says greetings from New York City .

[Poisoner]

How is earning money for work not fair? The only way I can see it not being fair is if two people are doing the same job, but one makes more money. Or how women generally make 75 cents to every dollar a man makes. Other than that people often do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage.

[RusskiSoldat]

I'm against any and all sort of regulation.
Especially control of the government of wages in the name of social justice. That has yet to turn out well.

[JP226]

don't you live in russia now Russki? I bet that's a foreign idea out there.

[larry_lalonde]

Terrible idea, one of the worst ever. As others have said, supply and demand.

[Rush Limbaugh]

TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT

[Valentin the II]

How is earning money for work not fair? The only way I can see it not being fair is if two people are doing the same job, but one makes more money. Or how women generally make 75 cents to every dollar a man makes. Other than that people often do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage.

You didnt read my post did you?

Terrible idea, one of the worst ever. As others have said, supply and demand.

But what does supply and demand actualy acheave?
How does it "ceep our economy going"?
The (for some reason) higher prices dont actualy help us in any way and actualy make sings less balanced.
Over-priced close phones and services, just becaws alot of people want them. Its just a quick way to cheat alot of people out of their money!
Everything should cost what its worth (ok, abit higher) and thats it!