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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6978384.stm

    Regulators have agreed in principle to allow human-animal embryos to be created and used for research.

    But scientists wanting to use hybrids will still need to make individual applications, the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority said.
    An HFEA consultation showed the public were "at ease" with the idea when told it could pave the way for therapies for conditions such as Alzheimer's disease. Opponents have said many people would be "horrified" by such a move.

    Scientists want to create hybrid embryos by merging human cells with animal eggs in a bid to extract stem cells. The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.

    The cells form the basic building blocks of the body and have the potential to become any tissue, making them essential for research.
    At the moment, scientists have to rely on human eggs left over from fertility treatment, but they are in short supply and are not always good quality.
    Two teams from Kings College London and Newcastle University have already applied to the HFEA to use hybrid embryos.
    It is now expected individual hearings for these two applications will be held in November with other scientists expected to follow suit.
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    Dr Stephen Minger, of King's College London, said he "applauded" the HFEA for its decision as it was the only ethically justifiable option if scientists were to push forward with their research.
    Lyle Armstrong, of Newcastle University, added: "This is excellent news. It is a positive outcome not just for our work but for the progress of British science in general and we hope that this will lead to new technologies to benefit everyone."
    And he also said: "It does seem a little abhorrent at first analysis, but you have to understand we are using very, very little information from the cow in order to do this reprogramming idea. "It's not our intention to create any bizarre cow-human hybrid, we want to use those cells to understand how to make human stem cells better."

    Lib Dem MP Dr Evan Harris, a member of the Commons' science and technology committee, which has already given its backing to such research, said: "Our top-class researchers can now proceed with their applications to conduct this world-leading research."
    And Dr Tony Calland, chairman of the British Medical Assocition's ethics committee, said it could lead to "major breakthroughs in treatments for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and other serious diseases".
    The HFEA decision comes amid government moves to lay down regulations covering such research - the law governing embryo research is out of date and does not cover the issue.
    The government originally proposed banning the technique in a white paper last year.
    But it reversed its decision this year in a bill which indicated ministers were minded to allow hybrid embryos which were 99.9% human and 0.1% animal, following a backlash by scientists and patient groups.
    But the HFEA has carried out its own review ahead of parliament passing the legislation so as not to hold back research.
    The regulator can grant licences to scientists to pursue such research, but will have to change its criteria if future rules contradicted its own practices.
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    Anthony Ozimic, secretary of pro-life group the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC) said he "deplored" the HFEA's decision. "This is not just a case of the 'yuk' factor - there are grave ethical and moral objections to this research and the way it is being promoted."

    And Josephine Quintavalle, of the campaign group Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said the HFEA was wrong to be pushing ahead with a decision which should be left to parliament.
    "Using hybrid embryos has never been acceptable - it offends the dignity of humans and animals."
    A spokeswoman for the HFEA said the decision had been a challenging one to reach.
    "This is not a total green light for hybrid research, but recognition that this area of research can, with caution and careful scrutiny, be permitted."
    But she added that public opinion was "very finely divided" with people only supporting it if it was tightly regulated and likely to lead to medical advancements.



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    omg its only a matter of time before james bond super villians produce a race oof atomic supermen-- with island of doctor moreau mixed in.

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    great news i'm all in favour of this
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    Default Re: 'Human-animal' embryo green light :D

    Anybody know what would actually happen if they allowed the embryos to develop?

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    More food!

    ethics, should we eat them?

    cow/human dna.does that sound appetizing?

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    Default Re: 'Human-animal' embryo green light :D

    Quote Originally Posted by LegionnaireX View Post
    Anybody know what would actually happen if they allowed the embryos to develop?
    Human nuclear DNA, animal mitochondria and other cellular organelles.
    I think a normal human with a (slightly) shortened life span?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionnaireX View Post
    Anybody know what would actually happen if they allowed the embryos to develop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionnaireX View Post
    Anybody know what would actually happen if they allowed the embryos to develop?
    The nuclear DNA will all be human, so they should turn into relatively normal humans, in principle. They might be subject to weird disorders of various kinds, depending on how big a difference the mitochondrial DNA makes. Has anyone tried animal-animal embryos along these lines before?
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    Jesus, these right-wing pro-life scum sicken me. A fricking embryo supplying stem cells needs protection now, apparently, while people with minds turning into child-like jelly from Alzheimers can go suck their own ****s for all they care. ****ers.
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    Default Re: 'Human-animal' embryo green light :D

    Don't they mean animal-animal embryo?

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    Human nuclear DNA, animal mitochondria and other cellular organelles.
    I think a normal human with a (slightly) shortened life span?
    even complete clones have suffered significant reduction in life span (think dolly) so i'm guessing this could really kill your prospects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary88 View Post
    even complete clones have suffered significant reduction in life span (think dolly) so i'm guessing this could really kill your prospects
    Yes but it depends whose mitochondria you've got. Dolly had sheep mitochondria. There are animals that live for a long time. Give Dolly parrot mitochondria and who knows?
    http://pr.caltech.edu/periodicals/33...ochondria.html
    Also human nuclear DNA is programmed to go on longer than sheep DNA.
    It's a complicated issue.
    The main point I was trying to make was that the nuclear DNA is human so the 'embryo' would develop into a regular human.

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    ...So no half-animals, with claws, ears and everything. Dammit


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    The next thing to achieve is a human-vegetable hybrid embryo. That would be SO bad-assed. It would be like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.
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    I think two State of the Union Addresses ago President Bush mentioned that he would work to combat "human-animal" hybrids. I laughed at the time, picturing some kind of ridiculous man-bird. I guess I jumped the gun on dismissing it out of hand.

    I don't think this will go over well in the U.S., nothing will demonize scientist more in the minds of the social conservative than them possessing the ability to create things that could look damn close to demons.

    I know they say that they'll destroy the embryos within 14 days, but that won't stop people's imaginations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feliks View Post
    I think two State of the Union Addresses ago President Bush mentioned that he would work to combat "human-animal" hybrids. I laughed at the time, picturing some kind of ridiculous man-bird. I guess I jumped the gun on dismissing it out of hand.

    I don't think this will go over well in the U.S., nothing will demonize scientist more in the minds of the social conservative than them possessing the ability to create things that could look damn close to demons.

    I know they say that they'll destroy the embryos within 14 days, but that won't stop people's imaginations.
    Good - that way all the best American embryological researchers will become desperate for jobs in the UK and British laboratories reap all the benefits of their work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feliks View Post
    I don't think this will go over well in the U.S., nothing will demonize scientist more in the minds of the social conservative than them possessing the ability to create things that could look damn close to demons.
    They wouldn't, though. They'd look just like humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simetrical View Post
    They wouldn't, though. They'd look just like humans.
    Not sure.

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    Useless from a medical standpoint. The effect of ovocyte RNAs (there is not just mythochondrial DNA) might also cause significant effects on the embryos.

    Overall, they have gone a long way in the wrong direction, and they're proud of it.

    And consider, that in not much time you can do the same without touching even the smallest speck of a purpose-made human/semi-human being, with adult staminal cells...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Useless from a medical standpoint. The effect of ovocyte RNAs (there is not just mythochondrial DNA) might also cause significant effects on the embryos.

    Overall, they have gone a long way in the wrong direction, and they're proud of it.

    And consider, that in not much time you can do the same without touching even the smallest speck of a purpose-made human/semi-human being, with adult staminal cells...
    Yes, truly Ummon's knowledge and wisdom surpasses that of the world scientific community. Those stupid scientists, wasting their time on unproductive areas of research when they could have just asked Ummon.
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