Crusader States of the Holy Land

**Swagger** · September 05, 2007, 06:19 AM

i really love is the crusades...

is very ''heroic'' and in the other way so violent.

and when i saw that there were only 2 crusader states i got really mad..

here is my idea...add at least more 2 faction for crusader:

-Armenian Cilicia (not a crusader faction but very close to them)
-County of Edessa

in the kingdoms expasion byzantium owns cilicia and principalty of antioch owns the old edessa county..

you (if anyone is intresting of make true this mod) could replace this lands for the 2 new factions and add to the byzantium and antioch more 1/3 regions (depends of the replaced regions) of barbarian tribes...

here is the map link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Near_East_1135.svg

about the units you could make new units according to the faction or add units that already exist in other crusader factions (probably a mix)

im not a modder so i have no idea how to make this.

sugestions for a possible modder are welcome.
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sorry my english

**dragases1453** · September 05, 2007, 07:21 AM

Nice idea, but in 1174 the County of Edessa had been already conquered and only Turbessel was under christian (principality of Antioch) control...instead of it it would be good to add the county of Tripoli...

**finneys13** · September 05, 2007, 07:39 AM

Armenia should have been in there from the start.

**Swagger** · September 05, 2007, 08:32 AM

i know armenia had an important paper in the history of the crusades...

Nice idea, but in 1174 the County of Edessa had been already conquered and only Turbessel was under christian (principality of Antioch) control...instead of it it would be good to add the county of Tripoli...
(by Dragases1453)

i know it but im pretty sure people will like to have even if it is historicly incorrect that dont have it...

but we can make one (maybe more) things to add county of edessa and to be at the same time historicly correct:

-put the starting campaign date lower
-remove some regions of the crusaders states (antioch and jerusalem)

**Fenix_120** · September 06, 2007, 11:27 PM

I want to know why the Teutonic Knights are not in this part of the game as well...

Their were about 80 Teutonic Knights at the battle of the horns of Hattin, and Saladin killed them after the battle along side their Templar And Hospital brothers.

So mabey they could be part of the other factions unit lists, but only the elite units who fit the time frame (Just the Knights and sword brothers,No plate armored spear-men)

**Swagger** · September 07, 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Fenix_120

I want to know why the Teutonic Knights are not in this part of the game as well...

Their were about 80 Teutonic Knights at the battle of the horns of Hattin, and Saladin killed them after the battle along side their Templar And Hospital brothers.

So mabey they could be part of the other factions unit lists, but only the elite units who fit the time frame (Just the Knights and sword brothers,No plate armored spear-men)

IM NOT A MODDER AND I DONT HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO MAKE THIS
(im not saying anything bad of anyone)
(and i dont have the game YET)

then a easy mod for anyone that want to make it...
i dont know if already exist but if not a modder can add to catholic faction in the crusades the:
- chapter house of the teutonics
- minor headquarters of the teutonics
- headquarters of the teutonics

and respective troopas and bonuses

**firekiller** · September 07, 2007, 07:50 AM

well if you wanna mke crusade whit more countrys you could put in

tripoly georgy armania

**Swagger** · September 07, 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by firekiller

well if you wanna mke crusade whit more countrys you could put in

tripoly georgy armania

im not a modder and i had no idea how to add a faction...

but i saw in a pict. there is the knights of edessa ...

you (the modder) can (CAN AND WILL)make them the main unit of the kingdom of edessa

**B. Ward** · September 07, 2007, 12:16 PM

jerusalem represents jerusalem and tripoli and antioch represents antioch and edessa.

i think adding more factions would cause for an even faster game...there'll be war everywhere.

**Ermeni** · September 08, 2007, 05:36 AM

if you need any help with Armenian Cilicia then i could help.......

**Swagger** · September 08, 2007, 05:46 AM

IMMMMMMMMM NOT A MODDER

I HAVE NOOOOO IDEA HOW TO MAKE A MOD LIKE THIS...LIKE ADDING NEW FACTION

IM NOOOOOT A MODDER OK?

**Ermeni** · September 08, 2007, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Swagger

IMMMMMMMMM NOT A MODDER

I HAVE NOOOOO IDEA HOW TO MAKE A MOD LIKE THIS...LIKE ADDING NEW FACTION

IM NOOOOOT A MODDER OK?

ok

**FoxFreeze** · September 08, 2007, 12:51 PM

Swagger, no one is going to make this modification if you keep acting like that. It seems you have an idea in your head, and want people to build it for you according to your dictates. So people are offering their services, wondering if you want to direct them.

But you're oblivious to it and constantly reminding people, in a readably offensive way, how you're not a modder.

So shape up or shut up.

**Swagger** · September 09, 2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by FoxFreeze

Swagger, no one is going to make this modification if you keep acting like that. It seems you have an idea in your head, and want people to build it for you according to your dictates. So people are offering their services, wondering if you want to direct them.

But you're oblivious to it and constantly reminding people, in a readably offensive way, how you're not a modder.

So shape up or shut up.

you are completly right....

here is some thinks i want to say:
-Im sorry for my manner

-who want's to help me ?
(so far ERMENI [I HOPE]

-who is ready for help me ?

-Now i Need for this mod ''mission'':
-skinner (if you want new units)
-banners producers (to make more)
-mapper (to add regions for the new units [i have a little idea how to make it)
-Mod Leader (i dont have time sooorry, but i will spare some time to see his progress)
-Historical Researcher for the new factions:

-Armenia
-Georgia (for the byzantium and the turks and when the mongols invade dont be overpowered at the north)
-County of Edessa
-maybe County of Tripoly

....what else do I/We need to make it ?

i dont have the game yet but when i get it i will spare sometime to take a look for the mod progress

**JcL** · September 10, 2007, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Swagger

you are completly right....

here is some thinks i want to say:
-Im sorry for my manner

-who want's to help me ?
(so far ERMENI [I HOPE]

-who is ready for help me ?

-Now i Need for this mod ''mission'':
-skinner (if you want new units)
-banners producers (to make more)
-mapper (to add regions for the new units [i have a little idea how to make it)
-Mod Leader (i dont have time sooorry, but i will spare some time to see his progress)
-Historical Researcher for the new factions:

-Armenia
-Georgia (for the byzantium and the turks and when the mongols invade dont be overpowered at the north)
-County of Edessa
-maybe County of Tripoly

....what else do I/We need to make it ?

i dont have the game yet but when i get it i will spare sometime to take a look for the mod progress

I'd be interested in working on a mod....
I think we should create more crusader states (County of Tripoli) or muslim factions (Emirate of Damascus, Aleppo)
Armenia and Georgia would be interesting too
But, we shouldn't do County of Edessa because it already fell back to the Muslims in 1144. To do that we would have to set back starting time and therefore change a lot in the campaign...

Since, I already know a lot about the historical background, I could do research work and the banners ...

What we need are experienced modders who can do the units and other game play changes that come with the mod.

So, help is welcome...don't hesitate to contribute...

**Mike13531** · September 11, 2007, 08:11 PM

i suggest you getting the game before asking for this. Personally i think principality of antioch and KoJ is enough, it'll just unbalance the muslim vs christian. Besides, there would be no point of having new faction with no brand new units. Like the Britainia campaign for example, tell you the truth, i didn't like it the moment i took a look at the units in the custom battle, why? Because, it's all the same except colors. Trust me, it's pointless

**JcL** · September 13, 2007, 09:54 AM

Hi, I'd really like to create a mod on the Crusader campaign but I'm still looking for intersted and expierenced modders...

**Swagger** · September 14, 2007, 06:59 AM

Hi mike13....

i understand you way of view but dont know how to make a mod this large..soo i was asking to any modder if it was possible to do it

i also know if the crusaders states had 4 faction allied they would rush all other factions

but i might consider to add some muslim factions .....we could ask Broken Crescent modders if they could help us

my brother is working in England and i recieved a letter from him and the game...what a surprise