Orthodox Christianity's symbol???

**Pivra** · September 04, 2007, 11:17 PM

Why is it the Latin Cross not Greek Cross??

**Amaris** · September 05, 2007, 01:24 AM

I guess because CA doesn't place so much value in realism and historical accuracy (no offense, but why had there to be a "Rome - Total Realism" Mod?)

The symbol of the Holy Roman Empire is also not correct. It should look like this

instead of this

**Lord Firkraag** · September 05, 2007, 02:30 AM

Actually, no. They only had the two-headed eagle after 1400. The game starts much earlier.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany#History

Why do people always think they can comment on CA's historical accuracy? If you think you know everything, at least check it beforehand. It's very easy, just google what you're about to say before you say it!

Also, to the original post, I am Greek, and we don't use the Greek Cross that much. It doesn't represent the cross of Christ, it's an older symbol.

**Amaris** · September 05, 2007, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lord Firkraag

Actually, no. They only had the two-headed eagle after 1400. The game starts much earlier.

And it lasts till after 1400.

Why do people always think they can comment on CA's historical accuracy? If you think you know everything, at least check it beforehand. It's very easy, just google what you're about to say before you say it!

Very funny - I am german !
And I checked it before I said it !
Of course we had the two-headed eagle not at the time the game starts. But the symbol in MTW2 is not correct after all (the colors are wrong!) - and it is wrong after 1400.
The two-headed eagle would have been the more appropriate choice in my oppinion. At least it doesn't look like a fried chicken.

**Taimee Rose** · September 05, 2007, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Amaris

The two-headed eagle would have been the more appropriate choice in my oppinion. At least it doesn't look like a fried chicken.

It's suppose to give you an apetite.....for destruction

**Amaris** · September 05, 2007, 06:06 AM

@HBBB:

*rofl*

Actually I'm playing not as HRE in my current campaign - I'm playing byzantium, because they are the true Roman Empire and I want to lead it to it's old glory (continue the work from RTW, one could say).

But in my current campaign the HRE is half conquered by Denmark and is a vasall of Poland. That is really a shame !

**bggeneral2** · September 05, 2007, 03:59 AM

Orthodox christians have both types. Only so named "Hospitaliers" or "St. John" chross is not presented in Orthodox.
This is not important.

**Pivra** · September 05, 2007, 08:50 AM

So when is the Greek Cross used??

can you imagined Jesus being on the greek cross lol... funny...

**Lord Firkraag** · September 05, 2007, 09:18 AM

*COUGH Use mods. Milans OPedness pissed me off too. So silly having someone no ones ever heard of own everyone.

No need anymore. At this point in the campaign, I have destroyed Genoa and Milan, and am buying Milan's cities and gifting them back to France! Love playing superpower.

**Evolution** · September 05, 2007, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Pivra

So when is the Greek Cross used??

can you imagined Jesus being on the greek cross lol... funny...

in the bible the word cross in Greek Actually Translates to a Pole or a piece of Timber. The Cross was actually created by false religions. Early Christians did not use or worship the cross. Therefore, we Christians should not actually be worshiping The Holy Cross.

*Edit*
You might want to worship these more.

If you want to Worship a Christian symbol WORSHIP THE FISH. What should you eat every Friday? .... Fish

The 2nd Image is just a roman Christian symbol. i don't know alot about it but apparently it was some sort of sign in the sky. I once heard it was a meteor trail or something simular.

**Kraut** · September 05, 2007, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by |MeMw|Obi-Wan

The Cross was actually created by false religions.

I am pretty sure it was created by CA. At least, we could just blame them.

*shakes fist*

SHAME on you, CA!!! The holy piece of timber will seek its revenge!!!

**CtrlAltDe1337** · September 05, 2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by |MeMw|Obi-Wan

in the bible the word cross in Greek Actually Translates to a Pole or a piece of Timber. The Cross was actually created by false religions. Early Christians did not use or worship the cross. Therefore, we Christians should not actually be worshiping The Holy Cross.

*Edit*
You might want to worship these more.

If you want to Worship a Christian symbol WORSHIP THE FISH. What should you eat every Friday? .... Fish

The 2nd Image is just a roman Christian symbol. i don't know alot about it but apparently it was some sort of sign in the sky. I once heard it was a meteor trail or something simular.

Well, I don't think its fit to say ppl should 'worship' any of these or the cross symbol (but lets save that argument for the off-topic forum), but the cross and fish are two of the oldest Christian symbols. It is true that the fish does predate the cross symbol, though. I guess the early Christians though it strange to paint symbols of a killing device (imagine having electric chairs or firing squads painted on your walls

), especially when many of them were being crucified.

**Uniema** · September 05, 2007, 11:36 AM

In all fairness...

In kingdoms... apaches worship the Great Spirit... however they only mention the Sun God?

**Lord Firkraag** · September 05, 2007, 05:54 PM

I have read somewhere that the "XP" symbol is older than Christianity.

**Tucker Dan** · September 05, 2007, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by |MeMw|Obi-Wan

If you want to Worship a Christian symbol WORSHIP THE FISH. What should you eat every Friday? .... Fish

Isn't worshiping a fish, or a cross for that matter, idolatry? The fish was used early on as a sign to identify ones self to other Christians in a time when worshiping Christ would meet you the same fate as the Lord Himself. The cross was not a popular symbol of early Christians, as the religion spread amongst the gentiles it was adopted as a symbol, however, whatever theological disagreements I may have with the modern gentile forms of Christianity, I would not go as far as to call them false.

As for using the fish symbols in M2TW, the game takes place far into the era when the cross was being used. The fish was not needed to covertly identify yourself as a member of a community as society had reached the point where you could be put to death for not worshiping the Church, oops I mean Christ.

**__PoweradePaladin__** · September 06, 2007, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tucker Dan

The fish was not needed to covertly identify yourself as a member of a community as society had reached the point where you could be put to death for not worshiping the Church, oops I mean Christ.

I love it. I love it. nice bit of history you snuck in there XD

**Darkarbiter** · September 06, 2007, 06:57 AM

Indeed

**Battlehawk** · September 05, 2007, 08:45 PM

well the XP is actually the first two Greek letters of the word Christ.

**Lord Firkraag** · September 06, 2007, 02:10 AM

As a pre-Christian symbol, the Chi-ro signified good fortune. The Chi ro became an important Christian symbol when adopted by the Roman Emperor Constantine, representing the first two letters in the name of Christ- the Chi, or 'ch,' and Rho, or 'r.' According to Church Father Eusebius, on the eve of the Battle of the Milvan Bridge, the Emperor saw the emblem in a dream, with the inscription, "By this sign, you shall conquer." According to the story, the battle was won. In return for the victory, Constantine erected Christian churches.

**Ven0m1985** · September 06, 2007, 04:52 AM

Jesus Chirst of Latern Day Saints dont wear crosses cause its a symbol of his death and it go against the commandments. shall have no false idols. Think about it if you don understand what I mean