Favorite Apachean units and tactics

[Saibot]

What are your favorite apachean units and tactics?

My favorite unit are the Apachean Braves. They're good at melee + they've got ap javelins. My favorite tactic is really easy, I always use full stack armies consisting of 8 Dog soldiers or Koitsenko and 8 Apachean Braves. Then 2 units of Medicine Men as extra morale boost. 1 general and a unit of Mounted Apaches. Then just use the following line up:

AB.AB.AB.AB.AB.AB.AB.AB MA
DS.DS.DS.DS.DS.DS.DS.DS
MM.......General.......MM

AB = Apachean Braves
DS = Dog Soldiers
MM = Medicine Men
MA = Mounted Apaches

I use the archers to constantly spam other archers and after that infantry. This will drastically lower morale. Then once they get closer the Apachean braves start spamming too and as soon as they engage in melee usually the enemy will rout really quickly. The Mounted Apaches are just to kill any pieces of artillery.

[the_mango55]

Yeah, the braves are pretty good, but I think the spear guys supported by Kostenko (no idea how to spell that) and mounted thunder braves are better. The Apachean braves crumble to any heavy infantry or cavalry, and their javelins don't really make up for it.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

I really like the medicine men. I've yet to see a unit of them rout and if you support them by sending some braves into melee you're fine.

[Antony_Elliott]

What tactics have you found that work against a European Army.

I dont think that will work at all and pretty much hasn't for me.

I use the Apache Scouts on the wings and draw the enemy in and then use the scount to attack the rear and flanks.

Cavalry just destroys me.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

What tactics have you found that work against a European Army.

I dont think that will work at all and pretty much hasn't for me.

I use the Apache Scouts on the wings and draw the enemy in and then use the scount to attack the rear and flanks.

Cavalry just destroys me.

You'll have to rely on numbers. If it's a full European stack send 3 apache stacks at them. Send a full stack of archers with flaming arrows to rout them then chase them down with your lighter troops. That's how I defeated France, I tried with 1 stack first but they slaughtered my men, the French cavalry killed like 1/3 of my force in the first few minutes.

[Saibot]

I don't think there's a way to defeat a full stack European army. But since you have a really low upkeep you can send in many full stacks so eventually you'll weaken them enough to destry them. And in my experience once the Europeans start routing you can easily beat them.

[DorosTheConqueror]

Y'know, I was just about to ask about this very same topic... seems you beat me to it! The only thread in this forum so far, and it's exactly what I was looking for.

Me? I have no idea what works. I just started playing the America campaign the other day, and I haven't got too far. So far, my basic tactics consist of the following:



Beautiful, isn't it? Took me a whole three minutes of backbreaking labor. Anyways, I use a loose line of Rabbit Boys in the front to screen my main troops and soak up fire- they're dirt cheap and probably hormone addled, so I don't feel too bad about letting them get killed. Their main duty is to draw missile fire and confuse cavalry charges by scattering this way and that, as well as spilling large pools of their own blood in hopes the Spanish will slip and fall on their way to my lines (never works out that way, unfortunately).

Behind the Rabbits come the Braves, in tight, staggered lines. They're basically there to do the leg work against cavalry and infantry- hopefully the enemies waste their charges against my fleeing Rabbits, but even so the Braves tend to take massive casualties. Any Braves who don't get hit by mounted Conquistidors and/or charging Native Infantry will chuck spears until they're needed in the melee.

Behind the Braves come a thin line of Medicine Men and War Leaders; Medicine men to inspire the Braves to great bravery, and War Leaders to reinforce the line wherever the main European cavalry hits. They're the only guys who can go toe to toe with the deer-riding pigdogs, so they're pretty valuable.

Behind or beside the Meds comes my Dog Soldiers, in tight lines for maximum firepower and preferably on top of a slope so more troops can fire at low trajectories. These guys tend to suffer only minor casualties, and can do a lot of damage to the enemy- they're my "main" killing force at the moment.

And finally, any Thunder Braves I've got. Their range and power speaks for itself; I usually like to have them picking off cavalry as soon as the poor fools get close enough.

I've won a couple Heroic Victories and a whole bunch of Clear Victories with that basic setup, although there's lots of widows and orphans in my tribes after each battle.

[Stalins Ghost]

I'm still getting to grips with them, but one interesting technique I've started using involves putting a couple of lines of scouts in front of the rest of the army. The enemy will advance on your line, only to have the scouts appear far earlier than they anticipate, throwing the lines into confusion, allowing your troops to deliver ranged weapon death, and then close in for the kill. Worked particularly well in a sally battle; only the scouts took any major damage.

[Hungary Horace]

I would put Dog soldiers in front line on stand ground. In front of them put the scouts as they can hide. On the flanks couple of rabbit soldiers. In the second line the braves go so they can lob spears at people. You want them to stay out of combat until they use all their throwing spears and they have loads. if you have any Kositneko's put them behind the braves with your Medicine men and War chief. Finally put two units of Thunder braves on the flanks with Scouts in front again as the AI are always coming for thuner braves. This is ideal against the Chicimehc and works against the Frecnh too. i may guive tips on Onde's Men when i finally get some as well as Apache cavalry but I may have to keep the French alive longer this game as killed them off too quick last game so Started again. I want everthing first!!

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[Thanatos]

You've only 14 posts! Wait a while for some rep, huh?

[Cenzor]

I use this tactic:

I put thunder braves in the center and dog soldiers on the left flank. Medicine men are standind behind TB. The War Leader is standing on the right flank so enemies couldn't destroy this flank (in theory). In the same time left flank is destroying enemies on their right flank

DS DS DS RB WL
TB TB TB TB TB
MM MM

[Saibot]

wow that's a small army. Now that I've gotten more troops and experience in Apache warfare. I've noticed my main power is big amounts of units and lots of archers. Archers seems to destroy every single unit in the other Native American factions and they quite some damage against the heavily armoured European factions. The braves can actually do ranged damage because of their AP and Mounted Apaches and Mounted Thunder Braves are great to weaken enemy lines before the real battle starts, picking off easy targets (artillery, musketeers etc.) and charging shaken or wavering enemies causing an instant rout chain. Now I'm just fighting till I finally get those darn Scouts. Then my final tactic and uber pwnage will be complete .

[Antony_Elliott]

Well now got muskets so everything has become easy.

ThunderBraves need a clean line of fire don't they so cannot be at the back?!?

I place my TB in the centre on skirmish mode with AB behind. This allows my TB to get out of the way and the AB to reign down javelin death before holding the enemy.

My Dog Soldiers are on the flanks bringing in constant archer cross fire. I normally have enough troops AB or Onde on the flanks to get behind an enemy that make it to my line.

Mouted TB are brilliant however and obviously i use them on the wings to run past the enemy and then start shooting them in the back.

Often I find enemy unit will rout after the first javelins from the AB come in as they have already been pelted all the way.

I have wiped out New France 3 times now.

[Saibot]

Yeah Thunder Braves need a clear line however if you're defending a hill you can also place them behind your line. So they can fire over your lines. This will put them in a defensive position and still let them shoot at the enemy.

[The Mongol]

I love Dog Soldiers, they can concentrate so much arrow fire because their unit size of 150 opposed to 120 of the Koitsenkos or Rabbit Boys. Koitsenkos are probably overall better, but I just love "blotting out the sun" with my Dog Soldiers.

I haven't got any gunpowder units or horse archers in my Apache campaign sadly but I like the Braves so far.

[the_mango55]

I love Dog Soldiers, they can concentrate so much arrow fire because their unit size of 150 opposed to 120 of the Koitsenkos or Rabbit Boys. Koitsenkos are probably overall better, but I just love "blotting out the sun" with my Dog Soldiers.

Hmm, I'm almost positive they all have the same amount of troops.

[Wolfiefang]

I've taken down european armies larger then mine (well so far I've really only taken on the french) By just concentrating my archer fire and having pretty much only archers. When I stole guns I only keep a few to take down the heavier targets.
I love mounted thunder XD I want a stack of them to just harrass
So far my only problem is taking on cavalry :0( Any ideas?

[The Mongol]

Oh geez you're right, they're all 150. Well thats good then.

[Antony_Elliott]

The Only answer to cavalry is Onde warband really.

Otherwise it is going to be bloody. Use flaming missiles or even better muskets if you have them to weaken them. Then try and get it so before they charge a lot of you AB chuck javelins at them. This should wittle down their ranks then just hope your AB can win the melee.

[Great Khan]

The Only answer to cavalry is Onde warband really.

Otherwise it is going to be bloody. Use flaming missiles or even better muskets if you have them to weaken them. Then try and get it so before they charge a lot of you AB chuck javelins at them. This should wittle down their ranks then just hope your AB can win the melee.

How do u get onde's men? answer to european army: loads of men!!