Spain - Faction Thread

[Sovietzug]

Yes but the game starts in 1700 right when Charles II "el Hechizado" dies and the struggle for the Spanish throne begins. A big European war and a Spanish Civil war altogether!

Yes, the Almansa's Battle is an important example of historic battle in this age.

[Sparkshot]

What about the Spanish Succession war? someone will surely mod it

The faction descriptions on the total war site hinted at a succession conflict after Charles dies but this might just be puffing to add some atmosphere to the game.

[Marcion]

The faction descriptions on the total war site hinted at a succession conflict after Charles dies but this might just be puffing to add some atmosphere to the game.

Yeah, I remember CA saying before that there would be no hard-coded, unavoidable historic events, so it's not likely that anything will happen after the poor little dimwit kicks the bucket.

[Sovietzug]

France must will to invade Spain before 1800, remember the people's revolt at 1808 against french troops in Madrid.

This invasion allowed the American countries independence, because spain was be forced to defend his country.

And the liberal traders preferred not depend from colonies and build factories at Spain to modernize his economy.

[jimkatalanos]

Merged threads.

[Ebusitanus]

I´m sorry but its always Spain that gets the shorter stick in this. I was just browsing the official forum and the masses were all so happy that CA had changed the shades of blue for the US and Prussia, making them more historically correct. Yet its always Spain which gets that ugly generic color dished out. Yeah, of course we can wait for some Mod to show up and give us a correct flag and uniform but c´mon, this crap is getting boring.

France gets white although I´m sure later units in the game will look all great in easily recognizeable blue while Spain, which used white during all the game´s timeline and beyond needs this ugly yellow.

[Razor]

I´m sorry but its always Spain that gets the shorter stick in this. I was just browsing the official forum and the masses were all so happy that CA had changed the shades of blue for the US and Prussia, making them more historically correct. Yet its always Spain which gets that ugly generic color dished out. Yeah, of course we can wait for some Mod to show up and give us a correct flag and uniform but c´mon, this crap is getting boring.

France gets white although I´m sure later units in the game will look all great in easily recognizeable blue while Spain, which used white during all the game´s timeline and beyond needs this ugly yellow.

I hear you. And I have to agree. But we don't know how their uniforms are looking at this very moment. Russia also has a new uniform, but we've never seen them clearly in the pics (it was in the far distance).

I'd pick white with red facings for Spain, white with blue facings for France and white with black facings for Austria etc.
I personally think that the flag isn't totally satisfactory either...

[Ebusitanus]

Its very irritating to say the least. People complaining about their nation´s uniform being a shade to light or dark or missing a facing and getting their issue addressed while Spaniards get the fantasy treatment galore in yellow. I mean, why this crappy treatment? Because not enough Spaniards buy the game or are active in the forums? I would understand if we were talking about the uniform of Lichtenstein but Spain was at the 1700 still a major player in european afairs.

http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/42145?page=3

[Marcion]

Its very irritating to say the least. People complaining about their nation´s uniform being a shade to light or dark or missing a facing and getting their issue addressed while Spaniards get the fantasy treatment galore in yellow. I mean, why this crappy treatment? Because not enough Spaniards buy the game or are active in the forums? I would understand if we were talking about the uniform of Lichtenstein but Spain was at the 1700 still a major player in european afairs.

Counting all the Spanish speakers, and residents of former Spanish colonies, I think we probably make up the majority of TW buyers (perhaps second to the British). So, forward, hombres, ¡gloria a la patria! *starts march on CA HQ*

..But seriously we should get an email petition going, since they seem to be responsive to this kind of thing.

[Sparkshot]

Counting all the Spanish speakers, and residents of former Spanish colonies, I think we probably make up the majority of TW buyers (perhaps second to the British). So, forward, hombres, ¡gloria a la patria! *starts march on CA HQ*

..But seriously we should get an email petition going, since they seem to be responsive to this kind of thing.

I thought there was a thread a long time ago that discussed the issue of uniforms and several did complain about the Spanish yellow. I believe CA's response was that they had legitimate reasons for doing what they did. From what we have seen, the only uniforms that have changed were those of France, Prussia, and Russia. It might be a longshot but this could possiblely indicate that Spain will receive an update as well. I guess I'm going coo coo for Coco Puffs because of the lack of a demo but there is someting about Spain's new yellow that I like. They were more of mustard color when shown in the Land Battles video. Acutally, they looked very similar to the United Provinces uniforms

[Ebusitanus]

Robert, we all might have personal like or dislike for one color or another and, personally, I might like having France dressed in pink or black but that is not the issue here. I mean, I´m sure two weeks into the game´s release we will see several Mods out which will address the main issues that can be changed and two months into the game most of us here will not even remember how Vanilla played or looked but that is not the issue either.
Saying having Spain in yellow is done due to avoid player confusion or because we see Spain in that color since M:TW is also not cutting it. I could really care less about the color of uniforms in the Medieval series. There were, simply put, no uniforms to begin with at that time so it would be no eye sore for me. But now we enter an era that was very well known precisely due to the colorist display of uniforms, jaquets, facings, leggings, brimmed hats, huge flags, etc...So, failing in that department in such a way is doing us, as history interested players and the game itself a very poor favor. To add to this injury we do have to read how this or that nation not only has gotten their colors right, but also even the shade of said color and details such as facings. Yet the same simple logic hits a wall when regards to Spain. Again, if Spain would have been some obscure faction hidden in some siberian or balkanic mountain I "might" understand but this is not the case. Half of the map almost starts out Spanish yet we have to look the other way and accept this historic travesty that other factions are getting spared. France starts out white too and you bet they will end up getting morphed into your awaited blue along with the Tricolor. Spain, which used white as their main color and the Burgundy cross from 1700 up to 1800 and beyond needs to take the hit "for game purposes".

Those pictures I just googled in under ten minutes. Please stop this farce with Spain.

[Sparkshot]

Robert, we all might have personal like or dislike for one color or another and, personally, I might like having France dressed in pink or black but that is not the issue here. I mean, I´m sure two weeks into the game´s release we will see several Mods out which will address the main issues that can be changed and two months into the game most of us here will not even remember how Vanilla played or looked but that is not the issue either.

Saying having Spain in yellow is done due to avoid player confusion or because we see Spain in that color since M:TW is also not cutting it. I could really care less about the color of uniforms in the Medieval series. There were, simply put, no uniforms to begin with at that time so it would be no eye sore for me. But now we enter an era that was very well known precisely due to the colorist display of uniforms, jaquets, facings, leggings, brimmed hats, huge flags, etc...So, failing in that department in such a way is doing us, as history interested players and the game itself a very poor favor. To add to this injury we do have to read how this or that nation not only has gotten their colors right, but also even the shade of said color and details such as facings. Yet the same simple logic hits a wall when regards to Spain. Again, if Spain would have been some obscure faction hidden in some siberian or balkanic mountain I "might" understand but this is not the case. Half of the map almost starts out Spanish yet we have to look the other way and accept this historic travesty that other factions are getting spared. France starts out white too and you bet they will end up getting morphed into your awaited blue along with the Tricolor. Spain, which used white as their main color and the Burgundy cross from 1700 up to 1800 and beyond needs to take the hit "for game purposes".

Those pictures I just googled in under ten minutes. Please stop this farce with Spain.

I hope you're not addressing you last statement towards me. I said I liked the color of the uniforms. I added the pictures in to simply demonstrate that Spain's colors have changed over the course of Empire's development. In any case, I still think CA did what they did for the reasons I stated earlier. It's in poor taste to take you frustration out on me because of what CA has done. I am content with it but seeing as I'm not Spanish, I guess I won't completely understand the fuss. I would think by now it's a little late to change Spain's uniforms, I was fortunate enough to see a scan of the PC Gamer review and Spain and Britain were featured in a naval battle, Spain still has the yellow.

[Ebusitanus]

Stuff...

No Robert, I was not meaning you in the second part. I can get where you come from and while playing M:TW I would have agreed with you without problems. But this is the era of fancy colored uniforms and I would like to see Spain´s fancy colored uniform in vanilla too.

I also would like to point out that I do and would support the same for any other faction with a similar problem. I recognitze that I do not have enough knowledge about Lithuania or Sweden or the Ottoman empire to break a lance for them. But I would support them if being brought forward just the same.

How many times have you played in M:TW and fought as english the danes? I really do not understand where the confusion might come up with? You have big flags over your units telling you they are yours. On the strat map I would get a "I´m not yours to command mylord" when I would hit a foreign stack with my cursor. How can it confuse?

And you really think the french will not have blue units after the revolution or as late tier? You might be right but I have my big doubts about that.

[Ebusitanus]

Just in case the thread I just posted at the official place gets erased, here the pictures for further use in some Mod:

1707 (Notice troops in the background and flag)

1718-1750

1750-1759


1761


1762 (Notice flag)

1766

1768 (notice flag)

1775

1775-1778

1780-1789

1781

1789

1797


1805


Peninsular war, battle of Albuera. Notice the Spanish Battle flag to the left. This is 1811!


Peninsular war, Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo. Notice the right hand inf man´s uniform. 1810!


Peninsular war, battle of Vitoria. Notice flag. 1813!

[Nicholas H.C]

I never knew Spain wore such nice uniforms. I like the flag as well. After seeing thes pictures of the uniform its a pity Spain will just be yellow....

[Markas]

Look at it this way- if the spanish army finds itself fighting in a Banana plantation they'll be at a distinct advantage.

[Ebusitanus]

It would help, I guess, if you guys would also come by in the "Justice for Spain" thread in the official forum and give your two cents. Maybe we might be late for the release but as we know CA, there will be a patch following shortly after the game is available for everyone to play and test.

http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/42282

[silvercolum]

I will understand the ''improves gameplay'' reasons of CA to put spanish troops wearing silly yellow uniforms the day the english faction wears a lovely pink colour....

[Markas]

I will understand the ''improves gameplay'' reasons of CA to put spanish troops wearing silly yellow uniforms the day the english faction wears a lovely pink colour....

So what factions next door to Britain wear red, then?

[Ebusitanus]

So what factions next door to Britain wear red, then?

The worst part is that France will start out white with a white flag and morph into the blue army with the tricolor we all recognize. Yet Spain which was white all the century needs to adapt for game purposes to the fancy customitzing of the french.

A white uniform with red facings is really not asking so much.

I also wonder how many nations will be going around in blue uniforms in this game that might confuse each other.

The game considerations aspect really holds no water at all.