Who are Underdog Factions (online, 10,000 denarii)?

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Let's decide who the "Underdog Factions" are. Who's really difficult to use online at 10,000 denarii?

Name who you think the Underdog factions are (and why you think so), and I'll give you an opinion on which factions are the most difficult to use online.

GAUL
- Outrageously priced archers
- so-and-so cavalry
- fine swordsmen
- prone to chain-route

GERMANIA
- probably the best barbarian faction (that doesn't rely on mounted archers)
- awesome melee troops
- excellent cavalry
- outrageously priced archers
- poor spearmen

SPAIN
- only has light cavalry (not counting general units)
- no archer units (only slingers)
- has some good light infantry (that can shower its opponents with javelins before charging)
- very prone to chain-routing

GREECE
- this is the best of the bad factions when it comes to melee units (superb hoplites)
- only light cavalry (not counting general units)
- excellent archers
- might be too strong to place in the "Underdog" category

THRACE
- cheap pikemen
- cheap archers
- only light cavalry (not counting general units)
- Falxmen are deceptively deadly

What do you think in regards to the Underdog Factions? I want to see your lists and why you think they're horrid (or at least difficult to use).

[guyyug]

I voted gaul becasue there is nothing speical about them besides their forester warbands and like most archers, arn't very good once battle lines collid and if they are to be so they have to move out into the open makeing them vunerable to cavalry.

They also have no units which I call special. spain has bull warriors, their two hit points make them great shock troops with their javalins aswell as the sucturi (SP?) doing the same. Dacia in custom can have cavalry archers aswell as scythia have a good varity aswell. Thrace can get hold of pikemen and the hammer and anvil tactic works well with flaxman. Britiannia has it's chariots and head hurlers and germania has beserkers.

Daica, thrace and spain can all be still underdogs though with their unit selection but gual is bottem of the pile imo.

Greece I wouldn't put as underdog as it's one of the most common factions I face online with romans and macedon, their lack of cavalry is made up by the steadfast infantry.

[Prince_of_Macedon]

LOL who's the wiseguy who voted for Rome?

Daica, thrace and spain can all be still underdogs though with their unit selection but gual is bottem of the pile imo.

Greece I wouldn't put as underdog as it's one of the most common factions I face online with romans and macedon, their lack of cavalry is made up by the steadfast infantry.

- Dacia's pretty lethal actually because of its Horse Archers.

- Greece is a popular faction, yes, but that doesn't make them a good faction. I've lost to Greece once since December 2006 (if I was playing as Macedon). And I've fought them over 50 times. But on the other hand, Greece might be able to manhandle Gaul, Spain and Germania with little effort.

- I definitely wouldn't put Briton in this group, because they're fantastic at this denarii level (as demonstrated by Oman).

[Roman Clone]

LOL who's the wiseguy who voted for Rome?

You Can all Stop Staring at me Because I voted Pontus.

Boy, I feel like an ass for leaving this place for 2 days for the the Thema Devia forum. Can you guys ever forgive me

[LeonidasOfSparta]

DACIA- my favourite barb faction , t is decent

NUMIDIA- my favourite faction...i like desert infantry

[Oman]

In my eyes, Spain are the lowest of the low.

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Yeah, Germania's alright, but they're still they underdogs in too many matchups. They belong in this category lol

You Can all Stop Staring at me Because I voted Pontus.

Boy, I feel like an ass for leaving this place for 2 days for the the Thema Devia forum. Can you guys ever forgive me

By the way, Pontus is awesome at this denarii level. Chariot Archers will ruin anyone's day (including Romans).

Anyways, here's an update on my list of Underdog Factions (still subject to change):
- Thrace
- Gaul
- Spain
- Germania
- Dacia
- Scythia

This is a rough list of the allowable factions for the upcoming tourney.

I removed Greece and Numidia from my previous list.

[Roman Clone]

Chariot Archers will ruin anyone's day (including Romans).

You Do Know that Rome Owned The Macedonians even Before they had the Marius Reform? Just thought I'd point that out

[Commander_Vimes]

LOL who's the wiseguy who voted for Rome?

I kinda of misread the question and put rome.
Anyway I actually pick gaul the best unit they probably have is their archers. cav sucks inf is medicore.

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Here's what my list of "Underdog Factions" looks like at the moment:
- Thrace (borderline)
- Spain
- Gaul
- Germania
- Numidia (possibly)
- Greece (possibly)
- Scythia (possibly)
- Dacia (possibly)

I don't know about the last 4 because they can be used quite effectively (especially the Steppe factions who have Horse Archers).

I kinda of misread the question and put rome.
Anyway I actually pick gaul the best unit they probably have is their archers. cav sucks inf is medicore.

LOL no worries.

[Scutarii]

I put Spain. I like them in mods, but in vanilla, they just have nothing going for them.

[Roman Clone]

Pontus for Spear man, Phalanxes, Chariots, Powerful Cavalry, and I think they have Horse Archers.

[Commander_Vimes]

Whats wrong with germania they got zerks good attacking inf decent cav and alright archers.

[Selifator]

Berserkers can easily be led away by fast cavalry or shot down. Concentrated fire brings them down rather easily. A lot of factions have better cavalry than germany. If they can kill the german cavalry then it´s open game for them.

[Roman Clone]

Whats wrong with germania they got zerks

For a second there I thought you said they got the Zerg, boy for a second I though I would need to abandon my cities near gaul

[Commander_Vimes]

Yes it obviously all depends on who your facing but germania just seems like a better version of gaul really.

[Commander_Vimes]

what the Zerg from starcraft?

[Selifator]

Is there another

[Commander_Vimes]

I dunno, I prefer the protoss those flying submarines totally own if you get about 15 of them.

[LeonidasOfSparta]

cmon lets open a STARCRAFT thread!