Regionals units

**karo** · August 27, 2007, 05:52 PM

A while ago I had a great idea that could be used in this mod. this idea is tho make so that if a player conquers a part of the map he get's something out of it a special unit, that will be availble to evrey faction. I'll give you an example, you're playing with the KOJ and you've conquerd all the provinces that onces belonged to Armenia and the faction leader get's the trait lord of greater armenia. and in ani you now can recruit one unit you can't recruit no place else like a kentronakan spearmen or a elite cavalry that looks more classic armenian than medieaval. for the other rgiond of the map I will need help of other peolple who now more about the region. and this is for after the release of 1.0. So what do you guys think

**Kalos** · August 27, 2007, 05:55 PM

Minimods like this have been made for Stainless Steel I believe...

**The Mongol** · August 27, 2007, 06:20 PM

I'm usually not too fond of additions like this, I think it kind of negates each factions uniqueness. I mean, there is already Afghan mercs in Afghanistan, Elephants in India etc.

To each his own though.

**Kalos** · August 27, 2007, 06:26 PM

Yeah, I don't really like it either. I think mercenaries are enough.

**Ahiga** · August 27, 2007, 06:37 PM

Yeah, like you guys mention, mercenaries kind of fulfill this role for us right now. Originally there were thoughts on having that, and we once threw around the idea of tier 1-ish troops of the native faction being recruitable by invaders (Who dont have that area as an AOR), but at a lagged tier (So that they get them at tier 3, whereas the Native faction gets it at tier 1). But it hasn't really been necessary, because mercenaries fill the role and the AOR is expanded enough that for most factions, the areas you'll probably first expand to will likely be in your AOR. There are exceptions of course, namely the KoJ invading Egypt, but that's close to the sea and to their AOR in palestine.

Personally speaking, I liked a notion of 'auxilia', inspired in part by the Turkopoles and by the old hellenistic Kingdoms of the Ancient world. Where you'd use native troops better than levies but not quite as good as your own. Basically, to assist in giving your armies a "Thousand Nations of the Persian Empire" feeling when you expand to foreign areas. But for now mercenaries fill that role, and there are other complications involved. I think we might discuss such an idea in the future though, Karo, since there are probably some good possibilities to pursue with it, we just have mercenaries sustaining the necessity for good troops abroad, so it's not pressing.

You had a lot more of this than in the West, with armies containing a myriad of peoples. A jewish description of a Turkish invasion of Fatimid egypt lists among the attackers: TUrks, Armenians, Arabs, Greeks, Various Anatolians, and even "Germans" (Likely meaning Franks). I haven't yet expanded far enough myself, but I'm fairly sure that when a Ghazni reaches Syria, or the Jersualem Kingdom reaches Khorasan, your armies shall truly look like the thousand peoples of your empire.

**The Mongol** · August 27, 2007, 06:49 PM

Interesting info as always Ahiga, armies were quite varied it seems. O_O

**karo** · August 27, 2007, 07:02 PM

I've got an other I idea, it's not about units

but over trait if we can spilt the map in parts and give them all a name and give traits to it like lord of the caucasus if you conquer all of the caucasus. Or lord of Mesopotamia you conquer all of the provinices there. and you could give some trait or pupblic order bonusses what do you think?

**AlphaDelta** · August 29, 2007, 08:19 AM

Well we have titles for regions. I'm not totally sure what conditions a general must meet to gain the title, but I have in many campaigns had titles for my generals like "Eristav of xyz" etc

Cheers

**Tadzreuli** · August 29, 2007, 09:23 AM

but I have in many campaigns had titles for my generals like "Eristav of xyz" etc

you have played with Georgian faction? ...because, "Eristavi" was Georgian feudal title, granted from King to regional governor - great feudal lords.

**~~Miraj~~** · August 29, 2007, 09:36 AM

Well Tadzreuli, he made the Georgian faction.

So he probably did give it a test-run in the process.

And yes, those are the titles I implemented for all factions a while back. Georgians get to be Eristav of all nearby settlements.

**Tadzreuli** · August 29, 2007, 10:18 AM

Georgians get to be Eristav of all nearby settlements.

VERY GOOD

**AlphaDelta** · August 29, 2007, 10:26 AM

You can have multiple titles for one general too. I had a General that was Eristav of atleast 3 regions.

**Rex Armeniae** · August 29, 2007, 10:33 AM

So basically there is a title that you can get lets say, my general is in Ani, he just conquered it... he has faught many victorious battles. So he gets like Eristav of Ani ?
Which is almost same as Lord of Ani

?

mirage, you say you implemented it for all factions, but what do the others get instead of eristav? Like does kypchaks have this?

cheers

**~~Miraj~~** · August 29, 2007, 10:46 AM

Bdeshkh is the armenian regional title. Wali for Ayyubids and Abbasids. Emir for the other Muslims. Despotis for Byzantium. Raja for Rajputs. And Kyps.. get nothing so far. Maybe just use "Khan of". Never really thought hard on traits/ancs for Kyps.

**Ahiga** · August 29, 2007, 10:57 AM

If need be, maybe we can borrow -some- Russian titles for the Kypchaks?

It ain't great, but they already are meant to be a Quasi Kypchak-Russian faction. I'm not sure if Boyar or Druzhina would be a bit of a stretch, though. Perhaps if we can get some terms used by the Pagan-era Turks, that can be utilized for them.

**Rex Armeniae** · August 29, 2007, 11:05 AM

That looks good. Maybe kypchaks can get master chief or Baron or something. Or maybe nothing as they are nomadic kind of

Bdeshkh... hmm

Here is an class structure of the armenian. Bdeshkh could suit well. Nakharar could be used aswell, but as it is a unit I think Bdeshkh is to go with. Though this is the structre of an older armenia, but i dont think it changed much when leaving for cilicia.

tagavor - king, his functions
vostan - princes of the blood
bdeshk - margraves, princes of the marchlands
nakharar - governor, then noble
sepuh - sons of nakharar
azatani - the king's troop
rahmik - commoner
shinakan - peasant
struk - slave
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Some of these could e used for ancilliaries or traits etc. Sorry I should've maybe posted this in the trait thread, but as I already had this posted here I updated it.
a structure of the royal "Ministries"
The Council
Hazarapet - Chief Minister, his functions
Tagakap Aspetutiun - Coronant (the Bagratid nakharars)
Chief of the Royal Escort
Mardpetutiun - Keeper of the Treasury and Harem
Meds Datavorutiun - supreme court, Judges of law, High Priest and then Catholicos Hayots, Supreme Patriarch of the Armenian Church
Senikapet - Chamberlain: the secretarial offices
Sparapet - High Constable or Commander-in-Chief of Cavalry