Iran or Persia?

[Eranshahr]

Hello everybody, as you know there is a country named Iran. but as I have understood. people think Iran was created 1935? am i correct.

My resources and my own knowledge says that Iran just changed name in the west, just like the Ottoman empire became Turkey, but why don't people say " turkey was created 1921"? why do people say Iran didn't exist 2500 years ago? or even 250 years ago, do you belive it was a British colony?

Iran, Tibet, China, Afghanistan, Japan adn the Ottoman empire were the only countries not being colonized. Does a change of name means, approximately 10 000 years of history are gone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_naming_dispute
one of my most important questions are, would you prefere the country to be named Persia, so people in the west, and with west I mean more west than Norway, Germany and italy learns the true history, or should be named Iran, as it have been called by Iranians during thousands of years. ( with some exceptions, as Parsa during some Achaemid kings) ?

please answer that, read the link and answer all other questions.
thanks!

[Gabriel A]

From what I understand Iran and Persia are the same. Iran is what they call themselves and Persia was (for a most of Western history) was what we called them.

[Kaapeli]

Whatever the Iranians/Persians prefer to be called is fine by me.

[Eranshahr]

yep, but some people doesn't understand that Iran have existed as a country for thousands of years, so some people, not only on the TWC says Iran was created after British withdrawal 1935 and is populated by arabs. Persians are dead!

that is what they say.

[Gabriel A]

yep, but some people doesn't understand that Iran have existed as a country for thousands of years, so some people, not only on the TWC says Iran was created after British withdrawal 1935 and is populated by arabs. Persians are dead!

that is what they say.

Then they would be incorrect.

[Eranshahr]

I hope you aren't offended, But tell taht to people from America ( canada, and the USA) Uk, France, Arab people and Danes.

[Gabriel A]

I hope you aren't offended, But tell taht to people from America ( canada, and the USA) Uk, France, Arab people and Danes.

I am not offended at all.

I doubt most Americans could find Iran on an unmarked map.

[Eranshahr]

a survey in US showed that 50% couldn't find Iran and Israel
40% couldn't find Iraq
and 60% couldn't find Afghanistan on a world map.

anyway, if you would have the chance of deciding, would you prefere Iran or Persia?

[Gabriel A]

a survey in US showed that 50% couldn't find Iran and Israel
40% couldn't find Iraq
and 60% couldn't find Afghanistan on a world map.

anyway, if you would have the chance of deciding, would you prefere Iran or Persia?

It probably would have been better for the Shah not to ask foreigners to to call the nation Iran, as it results in the confusion and ignorance you have cited.

From my own franco-anglo perspective, Persia sounds better.

[Gary88]

a survey in US showed that 50% couldn't find Iran and Israel
40% couldn't find Iraq
and 60% couldn't find Afghanistan on a world map.

more than could find my country...

[Eranshahr]

well the Shah made what he believed was right, and I actually agree. as Iran is a multi-ethnical country, the only right thing to do was Iran-Land of the Aryans.

Persia simply means " only for Persians" and this way teh kurds really could cry about independance, Now they do have a country, and many doesn't want independance. neither does Azeris, Azeris are Iranians too. ALL iranian peoples are do now have Iran as a home, but Persia was just a name some greek guy made up for the country, because the majority of the population were " Persians"

but to be honest, i would prefer that on a map it says
" Iran "
( Persia)

rathe than only one of them.


Gary- what is your country?

[Gary88]

UK

[Rush Limbaugh]

Do any americans here think Iran was created after WW2? Or that its not the same country as Persia? Has our education system failed that badly?

And lets not get into how stupid each others children are. There are beauties for almost every nation.

[Marcius Lucius 211]

Modern day Iran has terrority which contained Ancient Medea, Persia, Aria, and Parthia. So Iran and Persia are not coextensive in that sense.

[Gabriel A]

Modern day Iran has terrority which contained Ancient Medea, Persia, Aria, and Parthia. So Iran and Persia are not coextensive in that sense.

There is no distinction between Iran and Persia. The region Fars/Pars/Persis/Persia for the west has been used to label the entire political entity in that region, so any Iran/Persia distinction is a Western creation.

That the boundaries haven't been fixed for thousands of years, I am not sure how that is relevant.

[The Super Pope]

Why would i call it Persia? i don't call Istanbul Constantinople or call iraq Mesopotamia

[Atterdag]

I hope you aren't offended, But tell taht to people from America ( canada, and the USA) Uk, France, Arab people and Danes.

Sorry, but the preassure of always being refered to as the last word in this sentence forces me to ask:

What?

I didn't know that I thought that Iran is populated by Arabians.. Silly me for as you indicate, generalisations are always brilliant and correct.

[Eranshahr]

Well there is no pressure, it meanst you are remembered after all.

Oh please, when some Arabs burned Danish embassies and the Iranian police managed to defend your embassy there you all said muslims must die, and send all Arabs BACK to IRAN, IRAQ, LEBANON and SYRIA. that means that Danes believes arabs are the inhabitants of Iran, but actually it is only 2%

and as I said, and Atterdag proved. Danes belongs to the people I listed up in not knowing most about Iran. I think you also alk on the streets saying " Nuke Iran"

[Atterdag]

Please tell me that you are joking.

Pretty please?

[Eranshahr]

I am not.

And why should I, FOR THE LOVE OF CYRUS I LIVE IN SWEDEN; WE KNOW ALL ABOUT DANISH RACISM.

You voted in Venstre, could it be any worse? Modern day Racists. and you know Skåne, it is the haven of Swedish Racists, and it belonged to Denmark in the past!

anyhow, you said yourself that you didn't know Iran was the same country as Persia and that Iran was populated by Iranians who are not arabs, doesn't that mean I was right about Danes?