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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070822/...osaur_speed_dc


    LONDON (Reuters) - The smallest dinosaur could reach speeds of nearly 40 mph (64 kph) and even the lumbering Tyrannosaurus rex would have been able to outrun most modern-day sportsmen, according to research published on Wednesday.



    Scientists using computer models calculated the top speeds for five meat-eating dinosaurs in a study they say can also illustrate how animals cope with climate change and extinction.

    The velociraptor, whose speed and ferocity was highlighted in the film "Jurassic Park," reached 24 mph while the T-rex could muster speeds of up to 18 mph, the study published in the Royal Society's Biological Sciences showed.

    "Our research, which used the minimum leg-muscle mass T-rex required for movement, suggests that while not incredibly fast, this carnivore was certainly capable of running and would have little difficulty in chasing down footballer David Beckham, for instance," said Phil Manning, a paleontologist at the University of Manchester, who worked on the study.

    The smallest dinosaur -- the Compsognathus -- could run nearly 40 mph, about 5 mph faster than the computer's estimate for the fastest living animal on two legs, the ostrich.

    A top human sprinter can reach a speed of about 25 mph.

    The researchers used a computer model to calculate the running speeds of the five dinosaurs that varied in size from the 3-kg (6.6 pound) Compsognathus to a six-tonne Tyrannosaurus.

    They fed information about the skeletal and muscular structure of the dinosaurs into the computer and ran a simulation tens of millions of times to see how fast the animals moved, said William Sellers, a zoologist at the University of Manchester, who led the study.

    They checked their method by inputting data of a 70-kg human with the muscle and bone structure of a professional sportsman and found the computer accurately spat out a top running speed just behind T-rex's pace.

    "People have estimated speeds before but they have always been indirect estimates and hard to verify," Sellers said. "What we found is they were all perfectly capable of running."

    Looking at how these ancient animals lived and died out is also important in trying to predict how modern day species may cope with future climate change, Sellers added.

    This study helps to build a biological picture that scientists can use to better understand how dinosaurs adapted to changes in the weather just before they went extinct some 65 million years ago, he said.

    "Knowing how these animals coped over the past millions of years will give us clues to what is going to happen over the next thousand years," he said. "That is why there has been more recent interest in biology of these animals."


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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    but it said T-rex could run at 18 mph. thats slower than an human at 25 mph.. still 18 seems slow for a creature whos nearly 50ft long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightwar View Post
    but it said T-rex could run at 18 mph. thats slower than an human at 25 mph.. still 18 seems slow for a creature whos nearly 50ft long.
    Olympic sprinters can exceed 20 MPH over short distances, but normal people can't run faster than 15 MPH, I don't think, if that.
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Simetrical View Post
    Olympic sprinters can exceed 20 MPH over short distances, but normal people can't run faster than 15 MPH, I don't think, if that.
    But I was going By the Topics Title, Beckham isnt a "normal" human. By the way Micheal Johnson in the 200m average 28mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightwar View Post
    but it said T-rex could run at 18 mph. thats slower than an human at 25 mph.. still 18 seems slow for a creature whos nearly 50ft long.
    Yes but they were using minimal muscle use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Wolves View Post
    ...The velociraptor, whose speed and ferocity was highlighted in the film "Jurassic Park,"...
    Although the speed and ferocity of Velociraptor was highlighted in Michael Crichton's book, the film-makers thought it looked a bit too small and weedy to be really scary, so they selected the significantly larger Utah-raptor, but retained the cool Velociraptor name.

    Personally I disagree - I think fast dog-sized dinosaurs that hunt in packs and can rip your guts out before you can aim your gun are actually more scary than larger slower animals.

    As far as dinosaurs being fast - well this is the major advantage of the bipedal dinosaur body shape. The stiff tail provides a counterweight and also acts as a spring to save energy (Kangaroos also use this method). Bipedal walking is also in itself more efficient - despite the Human body being a bit of a compromise for our current gait, we are still able to beat most quadrupeds over long enough distances.

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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    IIRC though the film exagerated the size of Velociraptor a larger variety of raptor, Utahraptor, was discover around the time of the film's release and would have been the size of the movie raptors.
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    Its not like Beckham is known for his pace anyway

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    Olympic sprinters can exceed 20 MPH over short distances, but normal people can't run faster than 15 MPH, I don't think, if that.
    olympic sprinters reach about 25mph for about the middle 20 metres of 100. professional athletes like tierry henry have been measure at 22mph for similar distances. i reckon the T-Rex would have most people.

    interestingly it said at the Natural History museum (london, go if you can i can assure you its fantastic) that if a T-Rex was to trip whilst running the force of the fall would certainly kill it. also whilst many view its front arms as small and weak, almost laughable. studies of the muscle structure propose that it would be able to lift 400lbs with a single arm.

    none of thats relevant but it might be interesting
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    But I was going By the Topics Title, Beckham isnt a "normal" human. By the way Micheal Johnson in the 200m average 28mph.
    he did it in about 19.7 seconds. which is about 10 metres per second or 600 metres a minute or 36000 metres per hour. a mile is about 1600 metres thus he averages 22.5 mph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary88 View Post
    he did it in about 19.7 seconds. which is about 10 metres per second or 600 metres a minute or 36000 metres per hour. a mile is about 1600 metres thus he averages 22.5 mph
    Iment it was hes "average" but at one point they said he hit 28.
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    This is all very interesting, but I think your all missing the point of the topic....

    Beckham vs A T-Rex.

    I would pay good money to see this...

    What are there no pictures or computer simulations of this for my enjoyment?
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    I think that any knucklehead with a yardstick could figure out that a T-Rex can beat David Beckham in a race. Why Beckham, though?
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    I think a cage match would be more interesting than a race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    I think a cage match would be more interesting than a race.
    You mean feeding time would be more interesting than a race.

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    Discussion about horses' speed vs. humans split to here.
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    Default Re: T-rex versus Beckham? Sorry, David, you're lunch

    No video of Beckham vs a T-Rex, if you could see the disapointment on my face you'd cry.
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