Tech Taboo's

[King of Axum]

Just Because Man is able to Clone animals or Genitical modify living things for his enjoyment should he and why for example Should Spider goats ( GM creatures) be used to make bullet proof vests.

Want your Opinion

[King of Axum]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/889951.stm a little info on this topic

[removeduser_487563287433]

Because you aren't going to **** with a man who's wearing a spider-goat bullet-proof vest.

[rathelios]

My opinion.
Just because a goat contains an extra gene or two in the part of its DNA that codes for milk does not make it a spidergoat science fiction monster. In percentage terms the amount of DNA added is minuscule. That it originated in a spider is irrelevant .
Every cell in our bodies has hundreds if not thousands of minor mutations due to environmental damage. This does not make us 'mutants'.
Just what is the moral difference between gradually acquired mutations, selective breeding programs, and carefully engineered precise changes to DNA?

Humanity's greatest moral duty is to help other humans to lead better, longer, healthier, happier, more fulfilled lives. Genetic engineering could be utilized to cure malnutrition, solve famine, to treat many debilitating genetic diseases, to lengthen life spans, to produce many industrial chemicals more cheaply and efficiently, to lessen humanity's detrimental impact on the environment, and lots of other good things I haven't mentioned.
If there is a possibility genetic engineering can do these things then it is a moral imperative for us to research it to the best of our ability.

[King of Axum]

I believe man has no right to screw up nature. Im sure there are still other medical technologies being created that will not need the use to contaminate the genes of an lesser intelligent animal

[rathelios]

I believe man has no right to screw up nature. Im sure there are still other medical technologies being created that will not need the use to contaminate the genes of an lesser intelligent animal

Luddite.
Just what is natural?
Does humanity give up 'screwing with nature' and go back to living in caves? Is fire allowed? How about spears, flint and animal skin clothes? Of course, most of us will have to die. There aren't enough caves to go round and without agriculture, not enough food either.
This is a rhetorical extreme, but how can we go back? How do we persuade everyone in the whole world not to research genetic engineering given the potential benefits. Anything we can think of the Chinese can think of and are probably already researching.
I'm afraid once Pandora's box is opened there is no going back.

In any case it is not as though we are genetically engineering ALL goats. Vanilla goats still exist on this world.
In terms of 'contamination' of DNA as a proportion Domestication was more far-reaching than anything we can do with genetic engineering.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I believe man has no right to screw up nature. Im sure there are still other medical technologies being created that will not need the use to contaminate the genes of an lesser intelligent animal

And why do you think man has no 'right'?

[ZaPPPa]

I believe man has no right to screw up nature. Im sure there are still other medical technologies being created that will not need the use to contaminate the genes of an lesser intelligent animal

I think Man has the right to do whatever the hell man pleases as long as it does not lead to suffering of others. If it leads to scientific breakthroughs that will advance civilization, I clap my hands and stomp my feet.

If (the supposedly existing) God does not agree with it, let him come down and stop it like he did in the old days. Otherwise, it's Game on!

[ajm317]

I don't see a problem with "spider goats". Nor have I heard a particularly convincing argument on why I should. Usually people who have a problem with these things simply say "it's not natural" or "it's wrong" or "we have no right to play god". So what if it's not natural, why is it wrong, and why do we have no right to "play god"?

If this can provide us with useful products, I don't see an issue. It's not even like the goat necessarily cares. It certainly doesn't know it's a freak.

[Wibbler]

And is messing with the DNA of agricultural animals really "messing with nature"? If scientists went and found a wild mountain goat and started playing with it then there may be a problem, but I see nothing wrong with this.

[sephodwyrm]

If it leads to scientific breakthroughs that will advance civilization, I clap my hands and stomp my feet.

Clap your hands and stomp your feet for me.
For I am trying to be the new generation of genetic engineers that will focus our dirty hands into those of crops.
Wait a minute, they already did so.
So no, I am not a pioneer but I am sure we're going to go all the way.

[King of Axum]

man isn't even able to take care of eachother left alone tampering into the unknown. Believe it or not when we die we will have to give reasons for our actions in this life

[removeduser_487563287433]

man isn't even able to take care of eachother left alone tampering into the unknown. Believe it or not when we die we will have to give reasons for our actions in this life

Genetic researcher: "I pioneered techniques that led to the saving of billions of lives from hundreds of your terrible diseases."

God: "Wow. You can sit next to me."

[ajm317]

man isn't even able to take care of eachother left alone tampering into the unknown.

"Tampering with the unkown" is one way in which man "takes care of each other." Agriculture, medicine and more are things that man uses to take care of each other that were gained by tampering with the unkown.

[King of Axum]

yes but these things you just metion have noble causes. the spider goat silk is used for protecting police officers or soldirers i get that but your forgetting that every thing humans create is never immidiate good but an inlusive evil. today it's spider goats tommorw it could be cloning human baby's.

thats some scary shizit

[removeduser_487563287433]

yes but these things you just metion have noble causes. the spider goat silk is used for protecting police officers or soldirers i get that but your forgetting that every thing humans create is never immidiate good but an inlusive evil. today it's spider goats tommorw it could be cloning human baby's.

thats some scary shizit

When humans developed vacinations was that an immediate evil. You go on like some terrified shaman.

[ZaPPPa]

"Tampering with the unknown" is how we came to where we are now. Or should we have stayed in the trees thousands of years ago?

Remember, at one point everything was unknown.

[King of Axum]

there is a difference between creating certain techs to better advance human life but what if things were turned around and we were being abused by a more intelligent creature. watch planet of the apes

and for the vaccine look yes it was/ is a great idea but remeber when in the colonial ages when the british wanted to get rid of the native population they sent small pox. small pox. this iz genocide now who no's what they ( mad scientis) will think of next

[removeduser_487563287433]

there is a difference between creating certain techs to better advance human life but what if things were turned around and we were being abused by a more intelligent creature. watch planet of the apes

and for the vaccine look yes it was/ is a great idea but remeber when in the colonial ages when the british wanted to get rid of the native population they sent small pox. small pox. this iz genocide now who no's what they ( mad scientis) will think of next

Mad scientists... small pox... planet of the apes. Terrified shaman indeed.

[ajm317]

there is a difference between creating certain techs to better advance human life but what if things were turned around and we were being abused by a more intelligent creature.

The difference being that humans are intelligent enough to understand what is happening to us, and are possesing of a moral code which could instill a sense of outrage.

The goat does not.

If the goat doesn't care, why should I care? As soon as I see goats protesting I'll worry about it.