God is a dick

[VALIS]

Yes. Yes that's right. A dick. I said it.

He has caused insufferable pain on hundreds of millions of people from the dawn of time. Is jealous, petty, violent, blood thirsty, angry.....you name it he is it! After the troubles gods put you through you get sent to hell for your troubles!

He causes famines,floods and diseases. He has casued suffering more than man could ever dream off. Yes, he's an dick.

**** god! any version of him. I don't want some big magic man living in the sky() controlling me! **** em! even if he did exist, I'd still dislike him.
He's killed millions and casued so much pain and suffering.

He is a douche. Oh yes.

[Chaigidel]

rage at god is a common feeling--because god loves your suffering, and experiences it--- every time you weep god weeps, everytime you lose god loses, god never killed anything or anyone --- god simply accepted the suffering and joy as it came.

without this suffering how would this be life? the struggle is the design, the pain is the point.

all the jealous petty actions etc are mans alone; and he layed them upon the mantle of god in order to allow himself to go on living.

for once a man realizes that he is responsible for all the wrongs of the world how can he not destroy himself?-- how can one not extinguish for the good of all things if he realizes the evil within man--- no we cannot, so you curse god, or you curse the devil, or you curse your ancestors, but all the fate of all the worlds rests upon you alone.

[VALIS]

How do you know he loves peoples pain?
Have you talked to him or are you just making assumptions?

[sephodwyrm]

every time you weep god weeps, everytime you lose god loses, god never killed anything or anyone --- god simply accepted the suffering and joy as it came.

This blatant lie...
Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Entire world...
Not to mention the Wrath of God against the Infidelity of Samara and Jerusalem, likening it to 2 sisters, indulging in adultery and having copious amount of mad sex.
God's wrath against adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, condemning them to be stoned.
God's wrath against people that refuse to turn up for Sabbath.
God's wrath against supposed heretics, many of whom should be considered as ardent and pious individuals.

And that mad threat to set the world ablaze.
YAHWEH cares?

[Gary88]

you are however making the common mistake Duke of both being angry at god and blaming him whilst at the same time denying his existence.

[VALIS]

you are however making the common mistake Duke of both being angry at god and blaming him whilst at the same time denying his existence.

I don't believe in the absurd notion that there is a god.

I'm just taking the position that there is a god and that he is a dick for the massive amount of suffering he has put upon the world.
And that if god did exist and there was actual evidence of him existing then I still wouldn't worhsip him and I would still curse him because he strikes me as a disgusting and vile entity that takes pleasure in other peoples pain that he himself causes.

What a dick.

[Chaigidel]

of course I talk to god all the time but so does everyone else :O its not a unique thing.

imagine for a moment what would be necessary for omnipotence and omniscience upon our realm--- god would be fixed in one spot, being all things at once, forced to feel all things at once, all good and bad things.

if it is omniscient then it feels everything you feel as you feel it, and so it also does with every other thing in the universe, there would be no edge of thought outside of its perception--- thus god suffers with you and feels joy with you,, god is eternally remembering everything that goes on-- and forced to be it as well; so it must also feel physically all you feel etc down to the smallest creature and up to the largest ( to be omniscient it would have to do this)

so you see the all powerful and all knowiing is actually trapped within a prison of our creation, it is locked away and forced to live all the tides of all the creations--- this is the original sacrifice, for without anything with only perfect Void (nirvana) god itself can be at peace, but we would cease to exist--- therefore all creation rides upon the sacrifice of this unknowable and unreachable supreme being.

yet you can reach it by doing good, because this releives the pain of the suffering--- because it also feels the good you do, and the good things that happen to you.

so what would you do as a thinking creature if you were trapped in permanent darkness; basically forced to endure every torture imaginable for all eternity?

I think it would learn to enjoy it, thus I say god loves your suffering even as it hurts it the way it hurts you, the pain is both universal and isolated---

scientifically speaking no information can be lost--- this hints at a supreme oneness to me; in being god it is the foundation of all the universe and so it is the often trod upon and often unthought of most important piece of the house that is the universe.

[boofhead]

Well, I'll respond just to be the whipping boy.

We know nothing of God. We are blessed enough to be the dominant species on our planet. We can poop in our own nest or not as we will.

Shall we poop in our own nest? If you demean the religious you do indeed poop in your own nest, because the religious make up 90% of people on this earth.

Time for a genocide based on "logic" ( ) and science ( ).

[Chaigidel]

duke did what I wrote make no sense whatsoever?---- consider what happens if god is what it is claimed to be it would be omniscient and omnipotent--- this speaks nothing of intent or the way it would apply those two things----it speaks of the state of being god must exist in if it is to exist at all--- so how could you blame it for suffering it endures , and endures levels well beyond any man--- considering it feels all lifes suffering all the time..


from the rabbit torn to pieces by the hawk to the child crushed by the gears of war, to the bird shot by the arrow, and the fish caught by the bear-- god would feel all this pain all the time--- an unimaginable hell for anything which thinks to endure.--- how can you blame god "if it exists" ?---- ah because its hell is to be ridiculed as well for suffering all damnation for the sake of a chance for you to have a life, and to learn about the universe around you.---- all the hells of all the worlds inflicted just to give us the CHANCE to understand something.

how can you curse god (if it exists) because if it exists it suffers more than all other things , and deserves your empathy and mercy if anything.

[VALIS]

Uh?
At least logic and science is based on factual observation and experiment. Not random blind faith like Chaigidel exhibits.
That was to boofhead not chaigidel.

[Gary88]

hmm, i dont think any atheists want to kill everyone. i aslo dont get why you are laughing at logic and science as you base all of your life on them. you can think what you will of god and life ever after but you are a physical living being and science and logic is whats keeping you there

[sephodwyrm]

I usually respond to fanatics of specific religions, but I think I also have to respond to Duke.

Cursing at a figment of imagination that wasn't the cause of the insufferable sufferings etc is not going to make you feel any better. Though you did a good job at insulting the deity and not his adherents. I give you that.

But yes, if there's a God and His attributes are of those we decipher from the Bible, than yes. He is quite a monstrous fellow, isn't he. But there are other Gods, and some of them are fun and (insert word that means more fun). Dionysus and the Monkey King comes to mind. Besides, the Monkey King was a fictional character created by a novel (probably derived from Hanuman) who wrecked Heaven with a stick. So that was entertaining.

If religious was a democracy, YAHWEH would be voted off.

[Chaigidel]

some simply cannot take the pain of that realization; I would far prefer the universe had no god, but it does, and it suffers so horribly for you that would condemn it.

logic and science are the basis of our understanding--- they do not keep us here--- they are observations of the things that do keep us here ( science anyway)---


I have no faith, I have knowing--- I dont even get the choice to believe or not to believe, and if you have a choice; then choose disbelief for it is far easier-- and will allow you to feel sure in your life, sure that you understand the world, and all the ways it works.. this is a useful thing.

--It is blasphemy to reveal god, for god must only be found, by each person-- thus all men of god speak in riddles and speak in strange methods--- because we cannot tell you openly; lest you be damned as we are.

[VALIS]

No you have blind faith.
The belief in god is one of faith.

Faith is Believing impulsively, or believing based upon personal hopes.

[RusskiSoldat]

Everything is a matter of perception.
If you do not have multiple points of view, you cannot possibly be sure of how correct something is.
We have only one point of view of the world: the human one.
Logic and science could, in my opinion, be the equivalent of learning history from a North Korean textbook.

[Chaigidel]

again your inability to move past your own projections upon the image of god, is what holds back your full understanding of the world around you.

Duke I have no faith--- I know, there is no choice when you know something.-- faith is a belief and can be questioned knowing cannot.

how can 1 be infinite and nothing at the same time?--- ask a mathematician yes?--- this is god in its most basic revelation

I Am that I Am--- I am one I am many I am none--- I am that I am ---- do you see how one is a cadence of positions and numbers while the other is a cadence of Being.

time is the hand of god --- for it connects us in a single moment---- a singular energy over all matter time and space at the same moment--- this is how god is one --- one moment--- and infinite--as it touches all that is--- and nothing as it touches all that is yet to be or has been.

God is Being-- god is the moment of animus that passes over the entire universe for without time there would be no movement no life no creation--- god moved over the face of the waters and fell into dreaming of you.


russki has it on point definitely it is all a matter of perception--- perception is central to most things.

[VALIS]

again your inability to move past your own projections upon the image of god, is what holds back your full understanding of the world around you.

I have no projections of god as I simply don't believe in his existence.
Your belief in him is one of blind faith.

There is no physical way of proving his existance and no way of validating your beliefs in him, therefore you have faith that he exists ie; you HOPE he exists.
Hopeing and knowing he exists is something very different.

[Gary88]

again your inability to move past your own projections upon the image of god, is what holds back your full understanding of the world around you.

as do yours. you chiagidel have the common problem that you yourself have found a proof or idea or reasoning behind your beliefs that you find to be utterly conclusive, you struggle to see how any one else who heres you ideas is not instantly swayed. however they are your ideas and everyone else thinks differently

[Odovacar]

Hmm..this thread clearly illustrates why I hate Ethos mores etc section...
Adolescent whining because of God who dont even exist according to the whiners.

In return I can only say what Epictetos wrote: It is a sign of being uneducated blaming others every time for our failures. Educated people blame no one but themselves."

If the world is evil then we humans are the ones to blame, because we do the right and the wrong, not God.
If God do no exist this is even more true.

[boofhead]

I believe in the laws of physics, and time, and genetics, and science. Anything science can prove I believe it is true. I believe that man has proven a fact about this universe. Now what the **** has that got to do with God? Maybe that (wow) humanity has understood something which has been in place since the Universe was created? What new thing are you showing the believer?