Creation of the Socii Bill

[Muizer]

"Creation of the Socii" bill

Article 1 - Ranks

Peregrinus

The Rank of Peregrinus is conferred automatically with registration to the TWC Forums. It confers posting rights in the General Fora. Any Peregrinus has the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" Forum.

Socius

Peregrini who have held that rank for six months and have posted no less than 50 times without receiving a warning in the last three months are, upon request to the Speaker of the House , given the rank of Socius.

Socii have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2

Citizen

Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or CC, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.



To qualify for Citizen, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for one month, and have no warnings within the last three months.



All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2; may post with the Symposium and may patronise other members as per Article 2

Further changes will be necessary to define the position of Socii, for instance concerning their right to vote, eligibility for offices and CdeC disciplinary procedures.


The original proposal which was discussed up to post no 35 is hereby withdrawn. For refference only It remains included below:

Article 1 - Ranks

Peregrinus

The Rank of Peregrinus is conferred automatically with registration to the TWC Forums. It confers posting rights in the General Fora. Any Peregrinus has the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" Forum.

Citizens

Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or CC, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.

To qualify for Citizen by patronisation, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for one month, and have no warnings within the last three months.
To qualify for automatic citizenship, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for six months, and have no warnings within the last three months.

All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2 and may post in the Symposium.

Patronized citizens can patronise other members as per Article 2.
Members who gained their citizenship automatically must seek a patron before they themselves can patronize

Article 2 - Patronisation

Any patronizedCitizen holding their rank for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for citizenship subject to the requirements in Article 1 above. The process of patronisation is as follows.

1. The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements, OR a candidate meeting the requirements contacts a Citizen asking for patronage.
2. The nominee sends the patron a PM explaining his duties and privileges as a Citizen, and his contributions to the community. The patron forwards this paragraph, along with his own, outlining why he nominated this member, to a CdeC member.
3. The CdeC member opens a thread in the CdeC Forum and the proposed nominee is discussed and voted upon.
4. If the nominee achieves sixty per cent of the non-abstaining votes, he becomes a Citizen.
5. The Speaker of the House promotes the member to Citizen, with a Citizen badge, and contacts him as to whether he would like to remain a Citizen, or further self define as an Artifex or Civitate.

If a nominee fails his vote, he is not eligible to be considered again for one month. Members of the CdeC must abstain from voting on members they patronise. All CdeC votes must be concluded within seven days of the thread being opened in the CdeC.

Upon fulfilling the criteria for automatic citizenship, a peregrinus can request the citizenship by sending a private message to the Chief of Moderation, who will review the application. If the application is valid, he will notify the Speaker of the House and citizenship is duely granted

[Thanatos]

I don't like it - members are made into citizens without a prior investigation as to who and how they are?

What's the rush?

[gigagaia]

Two things.

1) I don't understand why the chief of moderation needs to be the point of contact and not just the speaker?
2) I like the overall thrust of the bill in it's move to open up the curia a bit, but I wonder if patronised citizens should perhaps retain some priviliges, similar to the old patrician rank, such as being the only ones eligible for certain officer ranks and the CdC. This allows certain key positions with a degree of responsibilty to be filled with candidates who have undergone more scruitniny.

[Muizer]

Two things.

1) I don't understand why the chief of moderation needs to be the point of contact and not just the speaker?.

Nothing in particular really. It emphasizes that in terms of behaviour only the warn record is considered. If the Speaker can verify all this, then that'd be fine by me.

2) I like the overall thrust of the bill in it's move to open up the curia a bit, but I wonder if patronised citizens should perhaps retain some priviliges, similar to the old patrician rank, such as being the only ones eligible for certain officer ranks and the CdC. This allows certain key positions with a degree of responsibilty to be filled with candidates who have undergone more scruitniny.

The CdeC How did I miss that. Of course it is entirely the intention that such functions are reserved for those who have opted-in on the whole patronisation thing. About other offices.......I don't know really. I'm fairly indifferent on the matter.

[Atterdag]

How will "auto" citizens be able to ever hold ranks such as membership of the CdeC?

Are they going to be patronized by a patronized citizen?

[Thanatos]

Citizenship should be earned, not granted.

I will do all that I can to stop this amendment.

[Fabolous]

Citizenship should be earned, not granted.

Truth.

[Thanatos]

That brings another question to my mind - where will these automatic citizens be placed? In which house? Do they even get a house?

[Atterdag]

I think the basic idea about opening the Curia a bit is alright, but I don't agree with doing it through making citizenship automatic.

What about something like this:

To qualify for curial acces, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for three months, and have no warnings within the last month.

Citizens will still be the only ones able to be put up for offices such as moderating and CdeC.

[Tom Paine]

I'm not sure about this at all. In fact, I am, I'm pretty sure I really don't like it. Automatic entry into the franchise should be extended either to all, or to none (excluding active warnings here). 6 months is a totally arbitrary time period and a totally arbitrary measure.

[Thanatos]

Why only fifty posts? That's nothing.

[Garbarsardar]

Actually Rag, I think it is an excellent idea. Except for the two tiers of citizens which reminds of Citizens and patricians.

I would be in favour of scraping patronization alltogether and that the CdeC retains the right to veto a promotion and take disciplinary action...

[Kagemusha]

Well then how about this one. I think i have proposed this very same thing,here and then for about half a year:

Citizenship Proposal

Proposer: [user]Kagemusha[/user]
Supporters:

it is proposed that the granting of Citizenship, and therefore the right to vote in the Curia, be an automatic process which occurs following 6 months activity on the forum. The CdeC shall still exist in order to remove this right from demonstrably undeserving members.

The following articles shall be amended as highlighted below:

Section 3 - Member Ranks and Curial Officers

All member of the Forums can be divided into the following Ranks. Each Rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges unavailable to other Ranks unless explicitly stated.

There are two broad categories of Ranks, Normal Ranks and Honorary Ranks. A member, in addition to his normal Rank, may also hold any number of honorary Ranks, as well as an Officer's position. In this case he may choose which Rank he is displayed under. Regardless of the Rank listed next to his name, he retains all the rights and privileges associated with all his ranks.

Article 1 - Normal Ranks

Peregrinus

The Rank of Peregrinus is conferred automatically with registration to the TWC Forums. It confers posting rights in the General Fora. Any Peregrinus has the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" Forum.

Citizen

All members of TWC shall graduate from the rank of "Peregrinus" to the rank of Citizen following six months activity on the forum, subject to the conditions stated below.

members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 3 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitates, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or CC, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.

To qualify for Citizenship, a member must have at least hundred posts, been a registered member for six months, and have no unexpired warnings. within the last six months.

All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2; may post with the Symposium. and may patronise other members as per Article 3

Patrician

Patricians are those Citizens who have continued to excell in their position within the forum by contributing to a greater extent than their citizenship requires.

A Citizen may be nominated to this rank by another Patrician in accordance with Article 4 3 below. Patricianship is awarded by the Consilium de Civitate for significant contribution to TWC (Appendix A). None of these contributions provide automatic promotion, but instead allow for nomination. The nominee must also have been a Citizen for at least one month and have no warnings at the time of their election.

A Patrician has all the rights of a Citizen, and in addition becomes eligible to be considered for higher office. Patricians are also required sponsors of Bills.

The following Article shall be deleted:

Article 3 - Patronisation

Any Citizen holding their rank for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for citizenship subject to the requirements in Article 1 above. The process of patronisation is as follows.

1. The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements, OR a candidate meeting the requirements contacts a Citizen asking for patronage.
2. The nominee sends the patron a PM explaining his duties and privileges as a Citizen, and his contributions to the community. The patron forwards this paragraph, along with his own, outlining why he nominated this member, to a CdeC member.
3. The CdeC member opens a thread in the CdeC Forum and the proposed nominee is discussed and voted upon.
4. If the nominee achieves sixty per cent of the non-abstaining votes, he becomes a Citizen.
5. The Speaker of the House promotes the member to Citizen, with a Citizen badge, and contacts him as to whether he would like to remain a Citizen, or further self define as an Artifex or Civitate.

If a nominee fails his vote, he is not eligible to be considered again for one month. Members of the CdeC must abstain from voting on members they patronise. All CdeC votes must be concluded within seven days of the thread being opened in the CdeC.

The following Article shall be amended as highlighted below:

Article 4 3 - Promotion of Patricians

A Citizen is nominated by an existing Patrician, who PMs a CdeC member. to commence the nomination procedure. Points 3 and 4 of Article 3 are then followed. The CdeC member then opens a thread in the CdeC Forum and the proposed nominee is discussed and voted upon. If the nominee achieves sixty per cent of the non-abstaining votes, he becomes a Patrician.

Ofcourse this would bring back Patricians. But i could live without them also.

[Tom Paine]

So modders who contribute can get it without having to post random pointless babble. The requirement for citizenship is already 50 posts.

[Thanatos]

I think this is getting worse and worse...

[Mímirswell]

A better way to do accomplish something similar, is to give Peregrini who have been members for sixth months and have 0.5 posts a day or 300 total posts (the lesser of the two) the ability to vote in the Curia Votes sub-forum but not the ability to post. In other words, give devoted members of the site a level of automatic enfranchisement without granting them full citizenship.

[Kagemusha]

A better way to do accomplish something similar, is to give Peregrini who have been members for sixth months and have 0.5 posts a day or 300 total posts (the lesser of the two) the ability to vote in the Curia Votes sub-forum but not the ability to post. In other words, give devoted members of the site a level of automatic enfranchisement without granting them full citizenship.

I would support that.

[Tom Paine]

A better way to do accomplish something similar, is to give Peregrini who have been members for sixth months and have 0.5 posts a day or 300 total posts (the lesser of the two) the ability to vote in the Curia Votes sub-forum but not the ability to post. In other words, give devoted members of the site a level of automatic enfranchisement without granting them full citizenship.

Hm. Suffrage but not freedom of access, essentially? Voting rights with nothing attached.

I can't go with any significant post hurdle. Its just not appropriate to enforce a post hurdle on modders really.

[Thanatos]

Then should modders only get the exception, then?

Because if everyone had it...

[Tom Paine]

Its called a universal law. how do we then define a modder? it becomes foolishly complicated to do that.