RUS 2 Total War

[Mr.Gorby]

The problem is, what that archive of the file is received with error, it is necessary this file to get once again.

[gogo t]

I just wanted to kick their asses away from Preslav...
I'm fighting against the Sovieat Union All slavianic nations hate me and want to crush me like an agg...
Give me a break... I just want to build up my economy

Last battle
My tzar and 7 generals in one army + some civil home guards (440 men) crushed 2000 kievian army and I got like 1700 prisoners... I just killed them... Let them hate me, as long as they fear me

[Aguirre]

Amazing work comrades! The swedes are very nice portrayed, though perfection would be if this type of helmet http://www.jelldragon.com/images/jk1...helmet_600.jpg were on some of the regular soldiers heads.. great work. looking forward to the translated version

[EarendilElenthol]

Aguirre, please do not add that one, is at least antique in the featured time, and perhaps even forgotten.

[Aguirre]

Aguirre, please do not add that one, is at least antique in the featured time, and perhaps even forgotten.

oops I thought the time was from 800-to something. my bad

[Master Zuma]

i have near 20 screens to post
soon i will do it

first fix
http://www.filefront.com/16385053/fix%20for%20r2.exe

changes:
byzantium now more powerful
some bug fixing
income from settlemets increased

[AnthoniusII]

Feal free to use parts of the "Komnenean" unit roster if you need more byzantine unit additions!

[Master Zuma]

thanks a lot friend

[gogo t]

1081 game crashes ?!

[ST. Toma]

Hail!
The Mod is very interesting, but I have some notice about Hungary:
1) In 1015 Hungarians and Polish were in war.
2) Boleslaw the Brave attacked Hungary in 1014, but he didn't conquer Nyitra. He conquered Trencsén and some lesser border-forts and villages near the Moravian border. St. Stephan (István I.) reconquered Trencsén and the others in 1017.
You can solve these by making war between Poles and Hungarians and take a Polish raiding army near Nyitra, but Nyitra should be under Hungary.

3) You named the Hungarian regions after the bishoprics and archbishoprics (Kalocsa, Bihar etc.), so I don't know, why Upper Hungary is called "Slovakia". (The Slovak people appeared in the end of the XIV. century, by the mixing of the native Slavs, the immigrating Bohemians, Poles and partly Ruthens. The word "Slovakia" was first mentioned in the XIX. century, the region was called Upper Hungary, Upper Parts, Highlands before 1920, also among the Slovaks)
You should solve this by renaming the province into Nyitra (after the bishopric) or by renaming all Hungarian province: Slovakia->Upper Hungary or Upper Parts (Észak-Magyarország, Felső Részek), Esztergom and Győr->North Transdanubia (Észak-Dunántúl) or Kisalföld, Veszprém and Pécs-> South Transdanubia or Transdanubia (Dél-Dunántúl, Dunántúl), Eger and Vác->Alföld, Kalocsan and Csanád->Southern Parts (Alsó Részek), Bihar and Gyulafehérvár->Transylvania (Erdély)

4) About the Hungarian units:
Firstly I think all of the units a bit too colourful. (In the Middle Ages, just the rich nobles and merchants could afford colourful cothes)
- Valaki means in Hungarian "someone", "somebody". Valah talpasok (Valah infantry) would be better.
- Polgárok means citizens. Városi talpasok/őrség (citizen infantry/guard) is better.
- Zsoldosok means Mercenaries. Nehézgyalogság/Pajzsosok (Heavy infantry/Shieldbearers) would be better.
- Iobagioni (in Hungarian Jobbágyok) means serfs, servants. This unit should be Talpas várkatonák (Infantry Castle Soldiers) because of their weapons.
- Várkatonák should be Végváriak (Border Castle Soldiers), because of their equipment.
- Gyalogság Íjászok (correctly gyalogsági íjászok) should be Íjász várkatonák, cause of their equipment.
- Polgárok íjászok (correctly polgári íjászok) should be Nemesi/Előkelő íjászok (Noble archers), because citizens were foreigners (Western Europeans: Latins, Germans), and they didn't use bows, just crossbows in the Hungarian army.
- Gyalogság means Infantry. Their name should be Lándzsás őrség (Spear guard) because of their equipment.
- Magyary Luchniki should be Nomád íjászok (Nomadic Archers). They are those warriors who didn't settled down.
- Arbaletchiki Várkatonák should be Városi számszeríjászok (Citizen Crossbowmen) because citizen troops used crossbow, but Magyar castle soldiers didn't.
- Slavic cavalry is a good unit, but they are just Croats, so Croat Cavalry or Croat Lancers (Horvát lovasság/kopjások) would be a better name.
- Sergeant Cavalry should be Lovas várkatonák (Castle Soldier Cavalry) cause of their armour.
- "Vadzhobaggi"??? (it would be correctly Várjobbágyok??? - they were the serfs of a castle, not warriors) This unit should have the name of Királyi szerviensek (Royal Servants). They were minor nobles under the banner of the King.
- Familiari (in Hungarian Familiárisok) means Vassals. Előkelők/Nemesek (Nobles) should be a better name.
- Saxons should be Lovagok (Knights) or Vendégek (guests), because they were Italians, French, Walloons, Swabians, Bavarians, Austrians, Aragonese, not just Saxons. In the diplomas they were mentioned as Hospites (guests).
- Nemesek should be Testőrség (Bodyguard) because of their heavy equipment.
- Magyars should be Nomád lovasok (Nomadic cavalry), cause the most of the Hungarian army was ethnic Hungarian (Magyar).
- Sekel should be Székelyek or Székely lövők (Szekler shooters).

All of these names are authentic, and were mentioned in diplomas and chronicles. There is too few horse archers, in the Hungarian army horse archers were the most numerous troops. Not just the early, not settled Hungarians were archers, but later Castle Soldiers too. Eastern settlers were also horse archers, as Székelys, Pechenegs, Muslim Calisians and Volga Bulgars, and after the Tartar Invasion Cumans, Jazons (Alans) and Noghais.
I don't know, when the mod is ending, but for later Hungarian units you should see the Magyar Mod.

Sarir's capital was Humraj, Khunzakh is its modern name.

Just one question: why don't you use the Rusichi and Vlad's Mongol Invasion Map?

I really hope, I could help you. Great mod!

[Silesian_Noble]

Hail!
The Mod is very interesting, but I have some notice about Hungary:
1) In 1015 Hungarians and Polish were in war.
2) Boleslaw the Brave attacked Hungary in 1014, but he didn't conquer Nyitra. He conquered Trencsén and some lesser border-forts and villages near the Moravian border. St. Stephan (István I.) reconquered Trencsén and the others in 1017.
You can solve these by making war between Poles and Hungarians and take a Polish raiding army near Nyitra, but Nyitra should be under Hungary.

Slovakia belonged to Poland since 1003y; here you have a proper map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...992_-_1025.png

[ST. Toma]

Slovakia belonged to Poland since 1003y; here you have a proper map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...992_-_1025.png

And this map says, that I have said:


If you see, wikipedia has maps, which contradict each others. I know, that the map I linked is better. Its not a Hungarian one, so it is not infatuated. The Polish one is very infatuated. We had a seminary on the University about the early history of Central European states (Poland, Bohemia, Hungary) and the links among us, and one of the students show your map on his presentation. Our teacher (Dániel Bagi, also well known in Poland - he translated Gallus' chronicle into Polish and Hungarian from Latin) said, that this (your) map is nationally infatuated and amateur, and serious historians don't use it.
But all of these don't change anything about my post, as there was no Slovakia till 1939/1993, there was war between Hungary and Poland in 1015 etc.

[Sanae LDC2]

how's the english patch going on?

[Constantius]

I still cannot read Cyrillic, but I am loving the campaign, but I will say the Seljuks are sadly 'tame' I was hoping for a Manzikert, but they haven't even taken Persia yet and its 1055 in my campaign

[Hrobatos]

this map is far from being accurate, my firend, because King Zvonimir last king of Croatia, before he became a king was ban in Slavonia, the border between Croatia and Hungary in most of 11 century was rier Drava
this map of yours is complete fiction

[Silesian_Noble]

this map is far from being accurate, my firend, because King Zvonimir last king of Croatia, before he became a king was ban in Slavonia, the border between Croatia and Hungary in most of 11 century was rier Drava
this map of yours is complete fiction

I agree. All my books show that both Moravia and Slovakia was Polish from 1003 till... well the date of lost of these lands is not clear. It was certainly still Polish in 1025y and lost probably during the collapse of Polish first Piast Monarchy which took place in years 1034-1039.

The map I posted a few posts above was drawn on base of the Gall Anonim Chronicle, where is stated that Polish King Bolesław Chrobry controlled the lands up to Danube river.

[ST. Toma]

When Magyars conquered Transdanubia (Pannonia), they made Slavonia to their vassal. Slavonians paid tax for Hungarians from the early X. century, but they had own government, under the ban. In 1091, the Hungarian king founded the diocese/bishopric of Zagreb. If Slavonia would be independent or the part of Croatia, how to do this? It was the vassal of Hungary, but it was autonomic.

About Gallus, he had the mission to show, that how a glorious are the Piast dynasty and Boleslaw. If we compare his boundaries with the other (Bohemian, German, Kievan, Hungarian) chronicles, we see that it was fiction. It was written just for glorify the Polish. It is the same, that Hungarian chronicles say, that Louis the Great ruled Naples, Moldavia, Dalmatia, North Serbia, Bulgaria, and when he was Polish king, also Prussia. All historian knows, that these sentences are just poetical exaggerating, which was common in the Middle Ages.

I'm also nationalist, as well as you, but if somebody is talking about history, we must be neutral about our nation, as well as bout other nations.

[Silesian_Noble]

About Gallus, he had the mission to show, that how a glorious are the Piast dynasty and Boleslaw.

Yes, he exagerreted some things (which medieval Chronicler didn't?), but in general the Gallus Chronicle is said to be a great source to the early medieval history of Poland.

If we compare his boundaries with the other (Bohemian, German, Kievan, Hungarian) chronicles,

Could you name that Chronicles? Maybe you have the fragments related with Polish presence in Slovakia? I would like you to operate with precise info.

[ST. Toma]

Yes, he exagerreted some things (which medieval Chronicler didn't?), but in general the Gallus Chronicle is said to be a great source to the early medieval history of Poland.


Could you name that Chronicles? Maybe you have the fragments related with Polish presence in Slovakia? I would like you to operate with precise info.

I didn't say, that Gallus is a wrong source. It's very good, of course.
About chronicles: the Hungarian ones are the two legends of St. Stephen, the Chronica Picta, and Kézai's Gesta Ungarorum. For other chronicles, I can't quote, cause I'm not at home, and have no time to search them (cause of my history exams at university), but for Russian, there is the Primary Chronicle (PVL) and for German, there is Thietmar of Merseburg.
But about 'Slovakia', the Hungarian ones are the primary. And all of them write about the rule of Boleslav in Trencsén. If I will have time to search them, I can write you these parts. The other thing about ruling in the Uplands: most of the Uplands were not inhabited before the XII. century, especially its eastern part, just some forts and towns in the west, like Trencsén, Nyitra or Pozsony. The powerful Hungarian king, Stephen can't let an enemy ruling in the neighbourhood of the Hungarian capital, Esztergom, so the Danube couldn't be the border.

About Slavonia: I don't say that it was fully the part of Hungary, just it paid tax. It became the part finally in 1102, with the other parts of Croatia. The diocese of Zagreb was founded by St. Ladislas, king of Hungary. Of course, its first bishop wasn't Hungarian, as other first Central European bishops were native people, but Westerners.

And also, it is not an off-topic about history, but I gave some advices about Hungary for the modders to make the mod more authentic. If Nyitra will be part of Poland, it's not a big problem. The problems are the name: 'Slovakia' which hadn't exist before the XX. century, and the peace between Hungary and Poland, because they were in war in 1015.

So, I'm looking forward the English version, because I'm just learning Russian now, but can't speak.

[Hrobatos]

thats bulcshit, King Demetrius Zvonimir was first ban in Slavonia and then King of Croatia after Peter Krešimir IV died in 1073

since time of 925 and king Tomislav, Slavonia was part of Croatian kingdom
somewhere about in 1030 Mygyars have conquered Slavonia but somewhere around 1040. king Peter Krešimir IV has taken it back

and bishopy in zagreb was founded in 1094, some guy Czech from Bohemia was first bishop

there is this one thing that may be reason of your confusion
modern day Zagreb teritory was back then western Slavonia nad all I said worths for it

but modern day eastern Croatia, or eastern Slavonia, was in Hungary all along

EDIT: I made a mistake, Magyars coquered Western Slavonia, Zegreb teritory cca 1000. year