Is Judaism a violent religion?

[mongoose]

Recently, some people here have been arguing that Islam is a violent religion, based on passages that involve violence. Some people have responded by arguing the same for Christianity, based on OT passages, to which the response was that the NT is more important. How ever, even if that argument was good for Christianity, it still would mean that if Islam is considered a violent religion based on the scripture, then Judaism is also a violent religion.

In discussing this, keep in mind that the Jewish religion and race are two completely different things.

[Thanatos]

No, because as long as the Israelites worshipped God, they had peace.

Granted, their faith in YHWH came and went, but...

[PointOfViewGun]

I don't see Judaism as an universal religion so it doesn't matter much for me.

[IndianPrince]

I don't see Judaism as an universal religion so it doesn't matter much for me.

Not universal ... but it is a major religion so completely ignoring it doesn't help.

I believe that religion is made with a purpose to cultivate peace & prosperity to people who have started it. So several times especially more ancient religions tend to be more violent & thus the "Old Testament"

Prince

[basics]

The history of Jews is one of persecution. Apart from the Biblical Israelites I see no evidence to support the theory that the religion itself is violently driven. That is that they still have lands to conquer for religious purposes. What was promised to them has been given and where violence takes chance now is in defense of their borders.

But yes, there are Israelis, devout in nature, who demand that all the land lost be recovered, surprisingly few ever take the trouble to join and serve in the IDF. However Judaism is not confined to the borders of Israel and any would be hard put to find any Jew making war or being violent religiously in the other lands in which they stay.

If this thread is meant to equalise Judaism with say Christianity or Islam then the questioner only has to read his Bible and look around the world for an answer. If Judaism was violent it was long time past and as I said meant only for the taking of the promised land. Since then we all know that eventually the Jews were on the receiving end and pretty much still are.

When was the last time any of you ever heard a Jew preaching that one must be Jewish or else?

[PointOfViewGun]

The history of Jews is one of persecution. Apart from the Biblical Israelites I see no evidence to support the theory that the religion itself is violently driven. That is that they still have lands to conquer for religious purposes. What was promised to them has been given and where violence takes chance now is in defense of their borders.

But yes, there are Israelis, devout in nature, who demand that all the land lost be recovered, surprisingly few ever take the trouble to join and serve in the IDF. However Judaism is not confined to the borders of Israel and any would be hard put to find any Jew making war or being violent religiously in the other lands in which they stay.

If this thread is meant to equalise Judaism with say Christianity or Islam then the questioner only has to read his Bible and look around the world for an answer. If Judaism was violent it was long time past and as I said meant only for the taking of the promised land. Since then we all know that eventually the Jews were on the receiving end and pretty much still are.

When was the last time any of you ever heard a Jew preaching that one must be Jewish or else?

You can not claim a land to be yours just because your religion says so and say that defending from it's former owners is just. Then anyone can create a religion and say that this piece of land is given to me by my god so I'm here to take it anyone that tries to stop that is figthing an unjust war.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Then anyone can create a religion and say that this piece of land is given to me by my god so I'm here to take it anyone that tries to stop that is figthing an unjust war.

You mean like Muslims?

You can not claim a land to be yours just because your religion says so and say that defending from it's former owners is just.

How did most kings get their power?

The question should be Was Judaism a violent religion? IMO. And in that I would have to say yes. The thing is they only claimed to be ordained to rule Israel not the world. They were to prepare the way for the Messiah.

[basics]

TheDarkLordSeth,

You are quite correct in the assumption about religion commanding anything. Where the difference lies is that God commanded them through their leaders, the same God that when all these things were accomplished and the land settled saw His people lose it because of disobedience.

Religion did not come into that. Judaism never asked them to do anything but believe their God who Himself would provide for them and even under laws accumulated by themselves they could not adhere to God's commands. They never had written words that commanded them to invade or kill anyone. These came as a result of what they did and not as the precursor.

As for what they now have for sure some Jews had the idea of return but it was not Jews who made it happen, rather Gentiles because they all appreciated that if the Jew had to have any land that land was their Biblical homeland. Further those that then took offense at this were not the original habitants but others presuming to speak for those at best and when they lost at worst abandoned them.

When we speak of just and unjust then multiple equations can be asserted by almost any nation or race in the history of man but can there seriously be any doubt that the Jew has the accumulative preponderance in that subject? If Scripture is correct, and I have no reason to disbelieve it, that nation has been under the hammer since the beginning of time and still is.

[Thanatos]

@ Indian Prince: Yes, considering the fact that a lot of the crisis in the Middle East stems from this issue as well.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

I have yet to find a religion apart from Christianity that completely forbids violence. Therefore, I believe all religions apart from Christianity are violent, even more so when compared to Christianity.

[Thanatos]

I have yet to find a religion apart from Christianity that completely forbids violence. Therefore, I believe all religions apart from Christianity are violent, even more so when compared to Christianity.

Mmm... it kind of smells of a blanket statement... :hmmm:

[IndianPrince]

I have yet to find a religion apart from Christianity that completely forbids violence. Therefore, I believe all religions apart from Christianity are violent, even more so when compared to Christianity.

Buddhism ??? It forbids violence of any kind on any organism ... but doesn't forbid self-defense i guess. But Christianity doesnt forbid violence. The crusades is an example

P.S - I am not being offesive just stating a point

Prince

[Thanatos]

Buddhism ??? It forbids violence of any kind on any organism ... but doesn't forbid self-defense i guess. But Christianity doesnt forbid violence. The crusades is an example

P.S - I am not being offesive just stating a point

Prince

The Crusades were a defensive measure, not an offensive one.

[IndianPrince]

The Crusades were a defensive measure, not an offensive one.

How were they defensive ???!!! It was offensive by Christian armies on Jerusalem. And saying that it is defensive because it was taken from Christians from Muslims is not justified cuz in strategic sense it is an offensive. Anyways i dont wanna sound rude ... all i am saying is that Christianity may promote peace in theory but didn't practice it in the medieval ages. Doesn't mean i hate it ... its common knowledge. So please dont feel offended ... anyone

Prince

[removeduser_487563287433]

If you actually follow everything the Torah says then yes, it certainly is.

[Irishman]

I have yet to find a religion apart from Christianity that completely forbids violence. Therefore, I believe all religions apart from Christianity are violent, even more so when compared to Christianity.

You have not studied eastern religions, have you? Just look up Jianism, Buddhism, and Sikhism. All three of these ban violence much further than christianity.

I think that the scriptures of the Jewish religion are very violent, and this cannot be argued. While a majority of religion itself may not be violent (as is the case with many), the jewish scripture is full of violence.

[PointOfViewGun]

I don't hate the Jews. I have respect for their religion and don't make any disrespectful comments. That's what differs between many people on this forum and you.

[Rush Limbaugh]

don't hate the Jews. I have respect for their religion and don't make any disrespectful comments. That's what differs between many people on this forum and you.

And I dont hate Muslims but i dont respect any religions. That's what differs between many people on this forum and you. There are many here who have a problem with organized religion.

I will admit however that it was Islam that made me see how silly organized religion is.

[PointOfViewGun]

This is not the place to argue personal disputes but even tough you may hate something but first you have to respect it, at least on these forums.

[Rush Limbaugh]

I do not Hate Muslims nor Islam. I think its silly is all. Well and it can be harmful. But so can all organised religions.