Neo-Liberalism

[Icefrisco]

It seems there is a new Liberal movement which I will call "Neo-Liberalism". Across the world Liberals are chanigng their ideas. Old liberals like those of Kennedy and Bill Clinton are popular but their ideas arent nearly as liberal as they once were. Now Liberalism means being anti-violence, pro-profanity, pro-anarchy, pro-propoganda,ect. I feel like some many liberals are transforming in Red Guards.....

I thought I was liberal but because I support Israel, Turkey, and a few other countries, support population-control, and support government purchase of land I seem to be more in line with facists. During Kennedy's presidency I would have been liberal but now people like me are being alienated by the neo-liberals just like the conservatives are being alienated by the neo-conservatives.

Is Neo-Liberalism a new movement? If so is it more in line with the Cultural Revolution or with the change from conservative to Neo-Conservative?

[Chaigidel]

well there is going to be a backlash against the horrible mismanagement of the ruling Ideal; I dont know if it will necessarily be the"neo-liberal" movement but there will be some sort of backlash;

I would not expect another radicalized party section though in the vein of neo conservatism.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I though you were talking about the economic neolibralism.

[kev-o]

You are comparing Kennedy and Clinton?

OH BOY, that is like apples and oranges.

Kennedy was the last great Democrat. Everything went to hell with LBJ and so on right up to Clinton.

Anyhoo, your Neo-Liberalism is what is known as Socialism in Europe.

[Princeps]

Neoliberalism is an economic concept as far as I know.

But anyway, I don't praticularly like the western liberal elites.

Is Neo-Liberalism a new movement? If so is it more in line with the Cultural Revolution or with the change from conservative to Neo-Conservative?

American neo-conservativism is nothing new, its the same old Wilsonian ideology, just slightly renewed maybe... you could call it neo-wilsonian conservativism. Wilson was a democrat, btw.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Sounds like you just made it up to me.

[Shaun]

Moved to academy, a this is more political theory rather than current events.

[pannonian]

It seems there is a new Liberal movement which I will call "Neo-Liberalism". Across the world Liberals are chanigng their ideas. Old liberals like those of Kennedy and Bill Clinton are popular but their ideas arent nearly as liberal as they once were. Now Liberalism means being anti-violence, pro-profanity, pro-anarchy, pro-propoganda,ect. I feel like some many liberals are transforming in Red Guards.....

I thought I was liberal but because I support Israel, Turkey, and a few other countries, support population-control, and support government purchase of land I seem to be more in line with facists. During Kennedy's presidency I would have been liberal but now people like me are being alienated by the neo-liberals just like the conservatives are being alienated by the neo-conservatives.

Is Neo-Liberalism a new movement? If so is it more in line with the Cultural Revolution or with the change from conservative to Neo-Conservative?

Considering Thatcher and Reagan are supposed to be the flagbearers for neoliberalism, and they're definitely the inspiration for neoconservatism, there isn't much difference between them. I'd say that neoliberalism is a descriptive term, marking a decisive break with the conservative past of social structures and organised government, and a wholesale adoption of liberal principles such as unrestrained free markets, individualism ahead of society, freedoms and democracy as a cause to be exported, etc.

Neocons are supposed to have had misgivings over the individualism part, but policy-wise they've not shown much of that. I'd say that neoconservatism is substantially the same as neoliberalism, except for the demonising of "liberals" to gain the support of traditional conservatives.

[Poisoner]

I don't see any liberal or socialist market systems being any more free than what they are today. If anything they'll be less free because they will tax the rich until they bleed so the poor people don't have to work.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Surely liberal when applied to markets would be like Thatcherism and actually be approaching the closest to freedom possible in many socities? Or are you using liberal in a meaningless American insult way?

[Poisoner]

Surely liberal when applied to markets would be like Thatcherism and actually be approaching the closest to freedom possible in many socities? Or are you using liberal in a meaningless American insult way?

Hi Ferrets!!

I was describing the liberal/socialist theory of taxing everyone and giving to the poor. Perhaps we can call it the Robin Hood party?

[Justice and Mercy]

Hi Ferrets!!

I was describing the liberal/socialist theory of taxing everyone and giving to the poor. Perhaps we can call it the Robin Hood party?

No. Robin Hood took the poor's money back from the government thugs that stole it from them.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Hi Ferrets!!

I was describing the liberal/socialist theory of taxing everyone and giving to the poor. Perhaps we can call it the Robin Hood party?

If you meant to talk about tax systems then why did you type market systems, eh?

[Poisoner]

If you meant to talk about tax systems then why did you type market systems, eh?

Because high taxes aren't exactly great for the market systems.

[Gary88]

I was describing the liberal/socialist theory of taxing everyone and giving to the poor. Perhaps we can call it the Robin Hood party?

erm taxes are spent on things which benefit everyone, in fact something like road tax most benefits the richer classes who can afford to drive alot, the NHS naturally benefits everyone as do schools etc etc etc

[Justice and Mercy]

erm taxes are spent on things which benefit everyone, in fact something like road tax most benefits the richer classes who can afford to drive alot, the NHS naturally benefits everyone as do schools etc etc etc

Then why not let them do it voluntarily?

[Gary88]

do what voluntarily?

[Justice and Mercy]

do what voluntarily?

People pay for roads and schools which, apparantly, benefit the rich more anyways.

As in: no enforced taxation.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Well Justice I call it paying your share.

[Justice and Mercy]

Well Justice I call it paying your share.

Really?

I didn't think that someone was entitled to "my share" because they had the guns and the goons.

Man, my morality sure is twisted, ain't it?

because that wouldnt work

Right... because it isn't a fair trade for them.

If it were, they'd do it willingly.