The Greatest Politicians

[Icefrisco]

Who do you think the greatest politicians are from any time period, from early history up until today?

Heres my pick:

Frederick the Great
Nicolo Machiavelli
Harry Truman
Otto von Bismarck
Ramesses II

[Daovonnaex]

aaron burr

he knew how to deal with the opposition eh he he he

[removeduser_487563287433]

FDR

[Black Francis]

Augustus.
Machiavelli.

[IndianPrince]

Churchill, Indira Gandhi, FDR, Hitler, Caesar, Sulla, etc.

I am talking about politicians who knew to achieve their goals. I m not trying to glorify u & i believe no1 would know Indira Gandhi ... she was the Indian PM who turned the 1971 war into such a success for Bangladesh & India with strategic planning & great political manuevers.

Prince

[Nikephoros II Phokas]

the one you don't notice, who maintains the status quo and then retires after 20 years to collect a fat pension.

[Kiljan Arslan]

the one you don't notice, who maintains the status quo and then retires after 20 years to collect a fat pension.

Well ith that argument in mind I'd have to say Metternich.

[Mathius]

Churchill, Indira Gandhi, FDR, Hitler, Caesar, Sulla, etc.

I am talking about politicians who knew to achieve their goals. I m not trying to glorify u & i believe no1 would know Indira Gandhi ... she was the Indian PM who turned the 1971 war into such a success for Bangladesh & India with strategic planning & great political manuevers.

Prince

Actually Churchill was a poor politician. Great leader, but not very good at politics.

[Paggers]

Actually Churchill was a poor politician. Great leader, but not very good at politics.

Yes and no.
Churchill wasn't very good at party politics, hence he was marginalised for long periods and kept crossing the floor of the House (swapping sides for those who do not understand this expression, it's peculiarly British).
However, in terms of sticking to his own personal politics, ie crossing the floor when the party's politics deviated from his own, he was the master.
If he had stayed within the party ranks he would have had to follow Chamberlain and even worse, Halifax.
I know I'm biased but Churchill was the man.
He even got voted Greatest Briton in a poll. Not bad in a society obsessed with non-entity celebs, :wub:s.

[Icefrisco]

I am talking about politicians who knew to achieve their goals. I m not trying to glorify u & i believe no1 would know Indira Gandhi ... she was the Indian PM who turned the 1971 war into such a success for Bangladesh & India with strategic planning & great political manuevers.

However, she did nothing to prevent Bangladesh from turning into a **** hole.

[IndianPrince]

However, she did nothing to prevent Bangladesh from turning into a **** hole.

I believe you are talkin about Nixon there ...

She was the one who helped Bangladesh attain independence. Remember the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War .. true that she took her time but only because of proper preparations. Getting an alliance with the U.S.S.R to counter Pakistan's alliance with the U.S.A was a great manouver and also it helped when the 7th fleet was dispatched with the enterprise against India. It was then that Russian submarines scrambled to deter it. She's very credible to giving India its most decisive victory

Prince

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Bismarck, Adenauer, Cardinaux Richelieu et Mazarin, Louis XIV.

[NaptownKnight]

Would I offend anyone if I said Hitler? I am Jewish btw, don't call me anti semitic, but no other has been able to push such a crazy agenda and achieve the kind of support Hitler has.

[Sidmen]

Bismark
Hitler - Turned a poor ass country into the most economicly powerful in europe, can't agree with the bad parts, but the good parts were awsome
Queen Elisabeth 1
Agustus Ceazar
Clinton - Did absolutely nothing to upset me, the best kind of politician.

[Nikephoros II Phokas]

Bismark
Hitler - Turned a poor ass country into the most economicly powerful in europe, can't agree with the bad parts, but the good parts were awsome
Queen Elisabeth 1
Agustus Ceazar
Clinton - Did absolutely nothing to upset me, the best kind of politician.

The third reich was a skeleton economy... when the war was over the mark was so inflated they printed money on only one side of the paper because the ink was more valuable than the currency. Hitler didn't do anything good for Germany, all deception and propaganda.

[RusskiSoldat]

Hitler's economic theories were highly unsound. He boosted the economy through incredibly reckless deficit spending in the hopes that his gamble would pay off and the world would take a few steps backwards (both socially and economically) and reinstate slavery and feudalism as a means of keeping Germany afloat.
Calvin Coolidge gets my vote for America's best president, the closest this nation has had to a true pro business libertarian.

[STReetSamurai]

Dead or imprisoned politicians are the best ones.

[Woad-Warrier]

Churchill.

[RusskiSoldat]

Churchill was seen as a rabid extremist for a large chunk of his career, and it is precisely due to that that he was often marginalized, especially between the time he was forced to take the blame for Gallipoli in 1915 and his appointment as prime minister during WWII. Notice that he lost office as soon as the war was over, this being due to the fact that people need harsh, strong and uniting leaders during wartime, but during peacetime hardly ever does everyone more or less agree on the goals the country should set.
He was, of course, a great man.

[Woad-Warrier]

Churchill was seen as a rabid extremist for a large chunk of his career, and it is precisely due to that that he was often marginalized, especially between the time he was forced to take the blame for Gallipoli in 1915 and his appointment as prime minister during WWII. Notice that he lost office as soon as the war was over, this being due to the fact that people need harsh, strong and uniting leaders during wartime, but during peacetime hardly ever does everyone more or less agree on the goals the country should set.
He was, of course, a great man.

War is peace.