DLV vs Stainless Stell

[marcius2000]

what do you think?

[StrikeQ]

I've yet to try SS, so can't really compare/contrast them. Mainly because I've been happy with DLV I've had no reason to try something else.

[Bluegreen]

Ive tried Stainless steel mod and it is a pretty good mod; however I think Dues Lo Vult is better. Stainless steel is like a lighter version of Dues Lo Vult with Stainless Steel having a lot of new stuff; but notwhere near as much as Dues Lo Vult.

Stainless Steel has many new units, units graphics, some new factions, new faction logos, better ai and somewhat improved traits as well. However Dues Lo Vult has all these things but a lot more of them and all the other new features of Dues lo Vult that we know of (New Custom Events, Complete graphical overall on factions, Intricate Trait System).

Anyway all I got to say is I gave up Stainless Steel as soon as I found Deus Lo Vult

[Sinister Felix]

That ones next on my list of MODs to try, after i finish my current DLV campaign (which i estimate to wrap up around early 2112 at this rate)...

Anyway, it looks like a quality MOD, some cool ideas.

[Demokritos]

I have about the same opinion as Bluegreen here. SS is one of the better mods, but DIV has somewhat greater scope and depth. I might add that SS perhaps presents itself better in way of loading screens etc, but that is just a matter of personal taste. Furthermore, in SS, you can play as the Aragonese or the Knights Templar, wheras DIV differ with Flanders, Ireland, Lithuania and the Teutonic Order, apart from having added Kievan Rus just like SS. That may matter to some people.

[Mike13531]

blue, that's not quite true, have you tried Stainless Steel yet? new factions here is great, however, they are cloned. In SS, they are all brand new units, a lot more than DLV. Graphics i'm not sure, less laggy and less buggy, i'm not sure about the buggy part, i just heard, but i've tested DLV for just two turns, can't take the lagg from Bigmap, so i uninstalled it. Plus the traits are too easily to get somewhat, i get 10 stars way too easy.

i'm positive that none of you here have tried SS itself, you probably just saw the previews.. tell you what, go test it, and then come back . Truth is, i've tested DLV 3.0 slightly, and 4.1 extensively, my personal opinion, not bashing anyone here, no features in DLV is better than SS other than traits, but traits are more balanced in SS through minor moddings by our SS community.(that includes me)

PS: this is probably not in the right forum.. it should probably in the general discussion or something...

[kafka]

well I used to play SS before 'discovering' the depth and beauty of DLV, and from that moment on I've stuck to the latter. Of course, SS is a great mod, yet DLV is just the more epic one, it has far more depth, especially through the sophisticated trait system.

the campaign gameplay and AI is just superior IMHO, you have more time to develop and planning, moreover I find the diplomacy AI way better as alliances are actually respected. I play dlv together with the tweaked Darth AI introduced by oldguardian. The battles are the best I've experienced so far in mtw2.

as I wrote, SS is one of the best mods, together with 'the long road' and 'pro deo et rege' with its very interesting approach of a regional recruitment system (btw what about introducing something similar to dlv?), but so far dlv is in terms of epic gameplay simply a class of its own

ps a feature that really annoyed me in SS is the way the mod cheats helping the AI resulting in the Ai spamming full stacks of elite units early in the game - ii is just annoying to see i.e. the hre maintaining stacks containing gothic knights way before time (though I edited this feature away)

[StrikeQ]

You test DLV for 2 turns and are able to get 10 star generals?

[Tokus*Maximus]

what do you think?

Apples 'n' pears. Oranges 'n' peaches. They are different and have unique qualities for different tastes -- Yer fiendly neighbourhood Tokoid

[KingChibi]

I do agree on the factions bit, it seems in DLV all of the new factions are clones, well maybe except for the Irish. New faction unit cards and maybe some more variety would be nice..

STILL THINK DLV IS BEST!

[LordsofDefence]

Played both SS and DLV. Was very impressed by SS - until I played DLV. Tried TLR but not for long. DLV is the best - the factions may not be entirely distinct from one another, but compare any two nations' troops at any point in history and it's the occasional weird units that stick out.

DLV wins - I love the supply, the costs of keeping an army in the field, the swords and crowns, the whole way the mod works. And I adore the new graphics. I did like Darth Pope, but he's understandably gone now.

[Mike13531]

lol, that's why i said stick with general discussion threads, here, the opinion will all lean towards DLV, i'm one of the few who visit every forum for MTWII.. quite honestly, i can tell you guys haven't tried SS 4.1... diplomacy is the very same as DLV , we are all using UAI here.
lol, it actually doesn't feel comfortable posting here, because DLV is a great mod and offending the hard-working modders is not really a good idea, so if anyone care to pm people in SS forum? or post it in general discussion threads , we'll see .
Tokus, repman, that's two guys i know of, which are in DLV team, sorry if i missed anyone here, good job on the trait and ancillary system. Suggestion is you should probably change the accents , every new factions i saw had english accents

[InquisitorTorquemada]

The only thing SS does better is have better skins and new units. And their kiev is a proper good faction and not a novgorod rehash.

[Lumberjack]

Ive played both quite thoroughly, and as you can see I prefer DLV. Both have LOTS to offer in terms of new content, but DLV's bigger map, more RPG style traits and a better campaign script are the main reasons I'm sticking with it.

I'm also really fond of all the period art thats used in loading screens.

Oh, and DLV has ++realism mod which totally :wub: owns

[scivian]

Played both a lot. DLV keeps crashing before I can end a campaign. SS for stability, DLV for features.

[Gian Pascal]

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[bandicoot]

UNITS

But one thing that really annoys me about DLV are the English accents. There is nothing quite as distracting as playing as Armenia, Teutons, Kiev etc, and hearing them say "For England!".
Why can't DLV resolve this?

Dude, there is a fix out ... check out the thread below:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114946

Obviously, most of us here are jaded with a tilt towards DLV, but I there seem to be a fair number of people like me who have played both mods and have stuck with one or the other. I wonder if this was in the SS forum if the response would be the same. I loved SS but prefer DLV simply because DLV is more grand ... it has more depth and the developmental effort here is phenomenal.

It's like comparing Porsches and Ferraris ... I may have a preference but I'd still love to have either sitting in my driveway.

[Gian Pascal]

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[FoxFreeze]

I've played both DLV and SS extensively, and Tokus was right. It's like apples to oranges. DLV is quite grand, has many intuitive new items worked in to give it a feeling of depth. It's also gorgeous, really captures the feeling of the time.

SS, I believe, is meant to appeal to those who don't want an entirely new game. It focuses on mostly AI aspects and a few aspects of realism, but plays relatively the same as vanilla. Hell, I like DLV, but I only play the vanilla campaign because all the scripted features bogs down the game terribly, so much to the extent that I stopped playing for a long time.

As for factions, I think Stainless Steel has DLV beat. It has only 3 new factions, but alot of time and development was put into them, and they're quite beautifully done. Aragon and Kiev (which, imo, SS did a tons better job with) are absolutely gorgeous and have their own unique looks, rather than being simply copy-paste. I'm currently playing only DLV now, since I had to reinstall, but I will say I lost alot of interest in it since every release just seemed to be 'lets see how much community content we can cram in this.' I honestly felt that way ever since flanders was randomly thrown in.

Now, I'm sure I sound really antagonistic right now, but I think DLV may really have something going for it now. Since I think it has as many factions as it needs (though some poor choices remain, imo) I think we can start worrying about fixing them up, giving them eye-candy. It would really help with cohesion. I mean, seeing these wonderfully realistic looking units then fighting Ireland with it's mishmash of Scottish, Russian and English units and then flanders which echoes greatly of vanilla.

tl;dr - I think SS better implemented it's content, whilst DLV does have alot and captures that really epic feeling. However, they're really geared towards different audiences, so a grand comparison would be unfair. Now that DLV 4.0 is out, though, repman or the modding community can now help polish the contents till it gleams with a truly holy light.

[Aszrayel]

Don't you think it's strange how mods like 'Lands to conquer' gets so much attention, awards etc whilst mods like DLV gets very little attention?

Wasn't there someone from CA Australia or something helping the person that does that mod? Could be the reason it has gotten so much more "light" shed on it than other mods like SS and DLV.

Anyways...IMHO I like DLV better because of the roleplaying element to it. Like a lot of people have said they are both great mods...just geared towards different people.