Warscore too low!

[Atterdag]

I'm playing as the Netherlands and I'm in war with Spain about their part of the Benelux countries. Right this was effing hard for me as a newb, but I got the Spanish army kicked out and started to mop up the provinces. Great! Time for peace and lots of new Dutch territories.. - NOT!
Warscore = 22% with every single Spanish province in Northern Europe occupied by me and Vlaandern alone is worth 68%!?

Now this is really pissing me off anybody got some advice?

[John I Tzimisces]

The reason it's so high is probably because it's A. Rich and B. it's a core province of theirs.

[Atterdag]

But I shouldn't I get a bit higher war score for capturing provinces than 1.2%?
I'm not rich so how am I going to retake my core provinces? (Vlaandern is one of me cores)..

[William the Bastard]

You could always attack the Iberian Peninsular. You more than likely won't win but if you are allied to France you may have a chance.

[The Walrus]

Yeah sometimes the diplomacy is wack. You could just go play as spain and offer those dutch territories. Its "cheating" but in this case it would have been more realistic for Spain to give up the dutch territories

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Yeah sometimes the diplomacy is wack. You could just go play as spain and offer those dutch territories. Its "cheating" but in this case it would have been more realistic for Spain to give up the dutch territories

How do you do that ? :hmmm:

[Darkarbiter]

How do you do that ? :hmmm:

I noticed when you load a game... you can choose any nation. So just save it and then load the nation you want

[tco]

I noticed when you load a game... you can choose any nation. So just save it and then load the nation you want

Yep I usally give a fair peace unless they have really ticked me off. Sometimes I totally bankrupt them and leave them destroyed.

[ajm317]

If Vlanderaan is worth 68% you're screwed. Just give up.

In order to get that high you would probably have to conquer the entire Iberian Peninsula. Unless you've got France to do the heavy lifting for you, that's impossible. Even then you might not make it that high depending on what New World possessions/armies/navies they have.

Another possibility is to use spies to incite revolt in those territories. If they're controlled by rebels long enough there's a chance they could flip to you. Try to drive Spains war exhaustion as high as you can before you make peace with them. That will increase the chance of revolt.

[Atterdag]

I cheated as Dinadan suggested and gave myself Vlaandern.. Now to liberate the rest of Benelux

[removeduser_487563287433]

Build a massive fleet. I usually have a main fleet of 100 large ships in Europe. Send that around, hunting down the enemy fleet, and once you do that split it up and blockade all their ports. This can give you a big enough warscore to annex a province or two on its own.

[ajm317]

I personally think that the devolopers could have easily fixed this using the following idea:

When you first take a province the war score to acquire it in a peace treaty is very high. However as time goes by the war score required goes down.

This way if there's no possible way for the computer to retake the province (like in this situation, or if you've conquered New World possessions and sunk their navies) you can just hold on to the thing for a few years. Then when the war score has gone down you can acquire it.

This prevents you from occupying a province quickly and getting it in a treaty, even if you can't hold it, as the computer gets a "fair chance" to take it back.

So in your situation maybe Vlanderaan starts off worth 68%, but after you hold it for 10 years it's only worth 20%.

It also makes sense in that the computer eventually comes to realise the futility of it's situation.

[Edelward]

No Flanders is a trade center and there're only two of them for North and most part of Middle Europe :Vlaanders and Lubeck(since Novgorod is mostly for Russian side)-naturally they are most important provinces !
Sixty eight % is totaly allright price . In real history France also tried to get that which made competition even higher .

[Fuji]

Yeah you see EU really isn't a conquest game like others... sometimes wars are bad for you even if you (seem) to have won

[Arakorn]

I was just playing Sweden in MM 1.5 (NA version) and had a 30 warscore against Norway in the first war that starts one day after begin date (on MM). Just for fun I tried annexing them (110) and they accepted! Later though when I was still fighting the Danes the Norwegians got me dragged into a war with Scotland and France, needless to say France pwned me and I had to pay them 100 ducats to get a peace (warscore -2).

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

Are wars sometimes only fought in the colonies? I'm expanding my land overseas and France has some pretty nice lands...don't want their armies to start landing in Portugal though.

[Kanaric]

Makes sense that it costs 68%. Its an extremely important province and I wouldn't give it away either.

[Edelward]

By the logic of the game Britain would never surrender province such Kale ,but in reality French just occupied it and that is it .
French ignored any claimage and really did occupied English provinces before 100 Years War too- they simply decided that Parisian court can decide any questions regarding Aquitaine and Normandie and French court was seizing them for France naturally , which forced Britain to strike back.

[Darkarbiter]

It must be due to the center of trade. Also I notice the warscore is capped at 100%? I guess thats so you can't take all of a big nation at once. I guess theres situations where you might not want a peace treaty... e.g. if you took all of the ottoman empire and couldn't afford to fight another war.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

The price of a province is raised if there is a CoT, large population, and trade goods, I believe.