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    Light infantry (Psilon):

    Peasants = Helotes[ALL] Paroikoi
    Helots or Helotes means taxpayers. Contrary to Stratiotai (soldiers) they were generally not expected to fight! Though they could be called up for guard services (tzakonike phylaxis) - see Tzakones

    Town Militia = Tzakones (preferable with clubs) [ALL]
    a.) Tzakones, Phylakes or Viglai are watchmen provided by the cities. Unlike the Stratiotai they weren't expected to fight, but to perform guard duties for which professional soldiers were freed from. Surviving evidens suggests that they needn't be armed in anyway... In the later HIGH era cities often employed professionals to do the job. These professional guards might well have been more or less properly equipped.
    b.) Macebearing Imperial Marines
    c.) As Palace Guard first mentioned in 1262, last recorded in 1285 but certainly didn't survive the reign of Andronikos II (1282-1328).

    Spear Militia = Phylakes [ALL]
    see Tzakones but just a.)

    {Javelinmen = Riptaristai (or Akontistai) [ALL]}
    Riptaristai or better known under their earlier name: Akontistai, are line infantrymen armed with javelins (riptarion or akoution). Generally supposed to be armed and equipped like the heavy armed infantry but carrying javelins and 'more moderate' shields insteed of pike and hoplite-shield their main job is to protect the space between the taxeis (~phalanx). In addition to that the can skirmish with the enemy, fight in terrain unsuitable for heavy infantry and to support the cavalry when pursuing the enemy after the victory.
    Riptaristai can be taken from the ranks of the heavy infantry but generals are advised to employ foreign troops - preferable Rhos - insteed!

    Byzantine Spearmen = Peltastai [ALL]
    Since the pike (kontarion makron) that is the prime weapon of the heavy infantry needs a great deal of training and is far heavier than spears of normal lenght, second rank troops can be equiped with the kontarion mikron ('normal' spear) insteed. These troops were called Peltastai!

    I am not sure about Javelinmen and Byz Spearmen/Peltastai, maybe combine them into a single Peltastai ?

    Heavy Infantry (Hopliton/Skoutaraton):

    Byzantine Infantry = Paramonai [ALL] or [HIGH & LATE] depending on concept!
    a.) In the EARLY periode the term 'Paramonai' apeared in military treaties but without telling us what they were. From there function they might have been either aides, bodyguards or retainer...
    b.) As an Imperial Guard unit the Paramonai are first recorded in 1272 and were last mentioned in 1315. Unlike the Varangoi, Mourtatoi and other units the Paramonai consisted of native Byzantines. Paramonai were recorded both mounted and on foot. The foot soldiers being armed with swords.

    {Byzantine armoured spearmen = Peltastai Enoplioi [ALL]} Skoutatoi
    Armoured Peltastai

    {Byzantine Armoured Pikemen = Skoutatoi (or Hoplitai) [ALL]} Kontaratoi
    Hoplitai or in earlier manuals Skoutatoi are Byzantine heavy infantry. Armed with the 12-16 ft kontarion makron or pike they form the backbone of the battle infantry. Their prime task is to act defensively in order to provide a save heaven for the cavalry as the striking arm of the army.
    Though the description of the hoplitai and their equipment was generally simply copied from earlier manuals, there is one difference to the Skoutatoi: the later were at least in theory supposed to be armoured in solid armour such as mail shirts or lamellar (klibanion) while the Hoplitai were supposed to wear a knee long protective armour (kabadion) only.

    {Menavlatoi [ALL]}
    The infantry's anti-cataphract specialists. Armoured and equipped in the same way as the Hoplitai but carrying the menavlion - a thick, heavy and solid spear of normal lenght - and a smaller shield.

    Varangian Guard = Pelekyphoroi or Varangoi [ALL]
    The Varangoi (Varangians or Vikings) are said to have provided the Emperors personal bodyguard (Hetaireia Basiklike or Megas Hetaireia). They are often named after their large battle-axe: Pelekyphoroi (Axe-bearers). It has been sugested that most of the Varangians might have been much less heavy armoured than generally assumed and that maybe even not all of them carried the famous batte-axes...

    Dismounted Byzantine Lancers = Kontaratoi (or Pezkontaratoi) [ALL] I still like Dismounted Stratiotai or maybe Pronoiarioi Spatharoi?
    Dismounted Byzantine Lancers often fought as armoured Hoplitai or Skoutatoi.

    Dismounted Latinkon = Spatharioi ton Latinkon [ALL]
    Means 'Sword-bearer of the Latin(s) mercenaries...

    Missile Infantry:

    Peasant Archers = Psiloi [ALL]
    In acient days all light troops were described as 'Psiloi', while Byzantine military treaties use this term exclusively for the foot archers. Though Byzantine Psiloi were armoured in the standart armour - the knee long padded kabadion, for games sake it might be better to leave them unarmoured!

    Archer Militia = Toxotai [ALL]
    In Byzantine military treaties the term 'Toxotai' usually describes the bow-armed line cavalry, but can be used for foot archers too...

    Trebizond Archers [ALL] Trapezounta Toxotai
    Due to closer contact to the Turks the Trebizontians apearantly became more profident with the bow than the rest of the Empire...

    Byzantine Guard Archers = Mourtatoi [HIGH & LATE]
    The Mourtatoi were soldiers of mixed Turkish-Byzantine marriages. Mourtatoi or Murtati in Latin is ought to dereive from the Arabo-Turkish word murtedd, murtat meaning "apostolate" or "renegade". Unlike the Tourkopouloi the Mourtatoi didn't seem to be Christianized Turks...
    They seemed to have been employed not only by the Emperor but by other lords, too (not only in Byzantium). Existing evidence sugests that they fought as foot archers. As an Imperial Guard unit the Mourtatoi existed around 1310-14 and may not have existed after 1328...

    Heavy Cavalry (Kataphrakton):

    Kataphractoi = Kataphraktoi [ALL] -> preferable mace only!
    a.) After the Byzantine military treaties the Kataphraktoi were the native Byzantine heavy cavalry. Originally armoured with a klibanion with sleaves but unknown lenght sandwiched between two thick padded protective garments (knee long kabadion under the klibanion and epilorikon above), greaves protecting the lower arms and legs, mail zabai protecting exposed bodyparts between the klibanion and greaves, a mail hood protecting the face and a heavy helmet protecting the head. Later klibanion and greaves were replaced with mail shirt/coat and mail stockings.
    Though armed with lance, mace (or paramerion), sword and bow, Kataphraktoi were typically supposed to fight with the mace as their main impact weapon! The archers in the cataphract-wedge might well derived from the line cavalry.
    b.) Generic term for the heavy cavalry sometimes including the line cavalry as well.

    Kataphraktoi/Klibanophoroi may have survived until the introduction of western cavalry tactics by Manuel I Komnenios but may have disappeared as early as 1000 AD... Horse armour remained in use until the end of the Byzantine army. Though certainly not for entire units!

    Byzantine Lancers = Kontaratoi Hippotai [ALL] Stratiotai or Pronoiarioi Kavallarioi
    Kontaratoi Hippotai - in the military treaties refered to as Kontaratoi - were the lance bearing medium armoured line cavalry. Originally armoured with the padded kabadion (gambison) and either klibanion (lamellar) or lorikion (hauberjon - mail or scale) and armed with lance, sword and mace, they formed around 60% of the line cavalry.

    Latinkon = Kaballarioi/Kavallarioi (ton Latinkon) [ALL]
    Kaballarios or Kavallarios was originally a Hellenized Latin term for cavalry. In the HIGH periode it was used exclusively as the term for western knights in Byzantine employ (usually as Pronoiarioi).

    Militia Cavalry = Trapezitoi (Tassinarioi, Chosarioi or Prokoursatores) [ALL]
    Byzantine light cavalry including both lancers and archers. Usually taken either from frontier cavalry or elite Tagmatic cavalry.

    General's Bodyguard = Klibanophoroi [ALL]
    Klibanophoroi are cataphracts fighting in the way of the old Equites Clibanarii with the lance. Klibanophoroi may have been among the personal retainers of generals and the Emperor. One of the few actions of supposingly lance-armed cataphracts was performed by the Tagma of the Athanatai. Probably the Athanatai remained to be composed of Kataphraktoi/Klibanophoroi until the end of Alexios I Komnenios reign in 1118. Kataphraktoi/Klibanophoroi may have survived until the introduction of western cavalry tactics by Manuel I Komnenios but may have disappeared as early as 1000 AD...

    Horse armour remained in use until the end of the Byzantine army. Though certainly not for entire units!

    Missile Cavalry:

    Byzantine Cavalry = Hippo-Toxotai [ALL]
    Hippo-Toxotai - in the military treaties refered to as Toxotai - were the bow bearing medium armoured line cavalry. Originally armoured with the padded kabadion (gambison) and either klibanion (lamellar) or lorikion (hauberjon - mail or scale) and armed with bow, sword and mace, they formed around 40% of the line cavalry.

    Skythikon [ALL]
    Generic ancient term for the horse riding steppe people in Byzantine employ. Usually performing as horse archers.

    Vardariotai [HIGH & LATE]
    Soldiers from a people of Christianized Turks settled in the Macedonian Vardar valley. They actually weren't listed as soldiers but as unarmed palace servants and may have rather performed in a policing than military function!
    First attested in 1166 and may have survived in the 14th century.

    Name in{} are units that are missing and should be added.


    Hope I got them all...

    EDIT: Adopted changes that had vanished in a ' TWC database error'!

    EDIT: Eras included and when several terms given the lesser prefered put into ().

    EDIT: Blue comments were made by SicilianVespers.
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    Thanks Basil, that you followed already my invitation to show up here. We'll take care of the list
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    Byzantine Spearmen = Peltastai (preferable with javelins as well)
    As you seem like you know details of medieval byzantine armies i got a question for you. The unit which is called "Byzantine Spearmen" so far, does it actually use that type of shield, that the game graphics display?

    I´m asking, because in two contemporary sources (one about Mantzikert, the other about the despotate of Epiros) refer to them as "big" shields. Sadly i could not find an english version of them so far, so that i could provide a link. But that they use the term "big" contrary to other unit types´ shields let me wonder, if they actually continued the Peltast tradition of ancient greece (whose shields looked similar to those of the unit "Heavy Peltasts" in RTW) more closely than i thought so far. But i cuold find no incontestable confirmation so far.
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    @DaVinci

    You're welcome!

    @Konstantin Alexander

    Sadly Byzantine manuals don't tell, I'm afraid. The treaties only give the length of the shields but not their shape. As far as I red round, oval, kite and triangular shields were in use and represented in art. It has been assumed that the oval shield ceased to be used around 1000 AD.
    While the infantry adopted the kite-shield about that time, it has been suggested, that it was Manuel Komnenos (1143-80) who adopted it for the cavalry and introduced western cavalry tactics. If the older tactics remained in use (including the use of old style kataphraktoi) will be a matter of discussion...

    Actually the military treaties just give us the length of the shields of the heavy infantry (depending of the manual: skoutatoi, hoplitai or skoutaratoi). The shields of the menavlatoi, peltastai and riptaristai (=akontistai) are just said to be 'of more moderate size'... Your 'big' shield will be a hoplite-shield of whatever shape, while the other shields will be those of the other troop types...

    Though the Byzantines spoke Greek, Latin has been the military language up to the 7th century. It was not before around the time of the Strategikon that Greek military terminology has been reintroduced and even then most terms were Hellenizised Latin ones! No wonder the meaning of the terms had changed meanwhile.
    In our periode the term 'peltastai' has little to do with the old skirmishers of ancient Greece! After the Sylloge Taktikorum (see pages 30 & 31 Osprey's Byzantine armies 886-1118) peltastai were armed with a spear (kontarion mikra), a paramenion and two javelins. The 11th century Parisinus graecus places the peltastai right behind the the front ranking hoplitai.
    Timothy Dawson ( Osprey's Byzantine infantryman, page 59 ) defines the peltastai as followed: "second-rank infantryman who might be as well armoured as hoplites, but usually carried smaller shield and shorter kontarion. Sometimes synonymous with hoplites."

    Btw though we can see all three terms for the Byzantine heavy armed infantry (skoutatoi, hoplitai & skoutaratoi) as synonymous, the skoutatoi were at least in theory supposed to wear either klibanion or mail shirt. The hoplitai and skoutaratoi were supposed to wear padded protective garment only. Contrary to the peltastai their main weapon was the sarissa or pike (kontarion makron).
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    In our periode the term 'peltastai' has little to do with the old skirmishers of ancient Greece!
    That is exactly what i always had supposed, but then i came upon this texts. And i started to wonder, why it is even mentioned, that their shields were "big". (In the second texts it is mentioned during the listing of the units on the march, like "first came the xx, then the yy, after them the peltastai with their big shields...") But maybe i am jumping at conclusions, as the military treaties do not mention an extraordinary size and i found no reference, that the Peltast-shield had been reintroduced. And their shape is not even mentioned. (Sadly)
    When i finally go crazy and have nothing else to do, i´m going to translate these texts. (35 and 44 pages respectively)
    A common problem with sources of that period. Things that the authors did not suppose to be worth to mention, as it was common knowledge and would have been redundant to repeat. I suppose in the next millenium people will wonder, how much coins you have to put in a cigarette automat in the 90ies, because noone cared to keep track of that. (Or the data was thrown away, being considered as irrelevant)
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    Maybe both! Byzantine authors used to write for a highly educated audience, so most minor details were just a waste of time. In addition to that the Imperial archives probably survived neither the sack of the city in 1204 by the 4th crusade nor the final capture by the Osmans...

    The division between hoplitai, peltastai, menavlatoi, etc. will be rather a matter of taktical tasks than a matter of different troop formations! You know, similar to western knights and men-at-arms Byzantine infantrymen weren't trained just for one or two weapons but with a full set of weapons. For excample when needed, riptaristai could be transformed to hoplitai in order to extend the battle line and hoplitai were armed with slings, too.

    In addition to that the Taktika of Leo VI advised the strategoi that all every household under their authority possed bow and arrows... (Though familiar with the bow for hunting western knights never used them in battle!)
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    hi about late era units could be armatoloi\kleftes but they were created after ottoman occupation. ALSO Venice used cretan archers and acretan arqubisiers , I think byzantines could have them.

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    @jo the greek

    Armatoloi sounds good to me! Maybe we can convince the SV team to add them...

    @DaVinci
    I made a added to my first post the periodes and a 'small' describtion of the unit. The describtion maybe a bit short and much more can certainly be written about them, but I think in sums some of the most important evidence...:hmmm:

    As can be seen some units are pretty badly addapted from CA... so when time comes this may be changed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basileios View Post
    @jo the greek

    Armatoloi sounds good to me! Maybe we can convince the SV team to add them...

    @DaVinci
    I made a added to my first post the periodes and a 'small' describtion of the unit. The describtion maybe a bit short and much more can certainly be written about them, but I think in sums some of the most important evidence...:hmmm:

    As can be seen some units are pretty badly addapted from CA... so when time comes this may be changed!
    ... thanks Basil, i already considered it

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    Free-time is short as always, I'm afraid... especially when starting my last SV campaign! Unlike the vanilla version of MTW2 it made far more fun, so far!!!
    The frontiers of Byzantium and its neibouring countries weren't quite historicly perfect but matters went far better than anytime before in either CTW or MTW2.

    The skins I recommended aren't my! They are LAca's! I think they would reflect Byzantine armoured infantry almost perfectly... but if I can help I'll do.
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    This is great information, thanks Basileios.

    I will make some comments (in blue) in the first post.


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    You're welcome, SicilianVespers!

    For the list I generally used terms that have a purely tactical meaning! Though some of the units need a little change in concept, they can at least by their name and function be found in Byzantine militairy treaties.

    Calling the javelinmen Peltastai will certainly meet the general expectations, since most players will know them that way from RTW! On the other hand when historians or scholars speak of Peltastai in this periode, it will be rather a unit of spearmen! Both Osprey's 'Byzantine Infantrymen' and McGeer's 'Sowing the Dragon's Teeth: Byzantine Warfare in the 10th Century' show a copy of an 11th century battle order clearly showing that Peltastai and Riptaristai were not the same!
    This is covered with Osprey's 'Byzantine armies 886-1118' with a comment based upon the earlier Sylloge Taktikorum and a number of other modern historic works...

    Purely from translation 'Kontaratoi' means simply 'lance/spear-bearer' and could well be a spear or pikemen of any type. In Byzantine military treaties, such as the Praecepta militaria an Taktika of Nikephoros Ouranos, the Kontaratoi were the Byzantine lancebearing line cavalry! Actually no matter in which way they were recruited... For game play it makes sense to me either to call the Byzantine Lancers or Dismounted Byzantine Lancers like that. But an additional swordbearing unit would cerainly fine, too. Maybe just: 'Spatharioi'?!?

    Hmmm, guess I can't completely dismiss the idea making the 'Skoutatoi' armoured spearmen... In fact that was once an idea I proposed myself! Historicly 'Hoplitai' may well include all other types of line infantry (Hoplitai, Menavlatoi, Peltastai and Riptaristai/Akontistai) as well. The same will be right for 'Skoutatoi', too.
    Personly I'd rather see 'Skoutatoi' in the city tech-tree and 'Hoplitai' in the castle tech-tree - both as pikemen...

    For 'Stratiotai': as you know 'Stratiotai' means soldiers in English and actually includes ALL members of the Byzantine worrior class! Foot-soldier, cavalrymen, archers etc. alike. On the other hand 'Pronoiarioi' will be rather the holders of a tax-revenue in order to supply a soldier and don't necessarily mean a worrior at all!



    Btw when speaking of 'armoured' units, I'm speaking of units, at least wearing a padded kabadion (gambeson - padded armour or protective garment) - not necessary a unit wearing mail or klibanion!
    I'll make a post about Byzantine armour and possible armour progression later...
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    For concept changes:
    1. In vanilla MTW2 generally most of the cavalry is only available in castles and their upgrades. An exception are the Muslim factions that have race- courts who allow building less well cavalry units in cities, too.
    The same should be true for the Byzantines as well. As as matter of facts, the Hippodrome in Konstantinople was used for military practice, sports and display of military might. In fact both elite line cavalry and the Kataphraktoi were stationed in the capital and other major cities!

    2. Byzantium always lacked horse archers and those they had were generally part of the line cavalry and not of the lights. I think the Skythikon and Trapezitai should change their places in the tech-tree.

    3. Regular infantry will have worn at least a knee-long kabadion for protection. Since most of the lower units have just AC 0 the regular units should have their AC increased (Byzantine Spearmen, Toxotai, Riptaristai u.a.).

    Btw what I'm dreaming of since MTW is that even after updating a units armour a player may still be able to 'read' the units AC from its apearance! Maybe something like that could be done for SV!

    For example:
    AC 0 = unarmoured (simple tunic)
    AC 1 = thick garment, felt etc.
    AC 2 = cuirass of padded armour or leather
    AC 3 or 4 = full coat of padded armour (kabadion/gambeson)
    AC 5 = coat of mail , scale or lamellar coat or padded armour + mail shirt/lamellar cuirass
    AC 6 = padded armour + mail coat or lamellar cuirass+sleeves and skirt of inverted lamellar
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    The same should be true for the Byzantines as well. As as matter of facts, the Hippodrome in Konstantinople was used for military practice, sports and display of military might. In fact both elite line cavalry and the Kataphraktoi were stationed in the capital and other major cities!
    This is a great suggestion for a new unique building in Konstantinople, where then cavalry can be recruited
    The Skythikons might get a limitation to certain regions to reflect the rare horse archers and to give the idea that they are just Skythians, but the Hippo Toxotai won't get a regions limitation.
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    When first laying hands on MTW2, I simply made the racing facilities available for the Byzantines, and renamed the Sultans race to Hippodrome for Byzantium! I guess 1,200 fl are by far to less for an important building like that...
    It might be a good idea to improve the Sultans race for Muslim factions as well, so that a number of good cavalry (Ghulams u.a.) can be build there as well.
    Unlike the west both Byzantine and Muslim (at least Fatimide) armies had a hard core of troops in the capital and major cities that provided picked cavalry!

    Agreed, the Hippo-Toxotai don't need a concept change, so far! Confining the Skythikon to a limited number of provinces will do it as well.

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    I started working on the new units, here's a little prevew:

    Skoutatoi (Heavy Spearmen)




    Skoutatoi (upgraded)




    Kontaratoi (pikemen)




    Kontaratoi (upgraded)








    Menavlatoi




    Menavlatoi (upgraded)





    [EDIT]
    I fixed the Menavlatoi normal texture, so the ghost images will not appear in the final version.
    Last edited by SicilianVespers; August 17, 2007 at 04:54 PM.


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    Well,

    what else can i say, than:

    Excellent work, SV. (again!)

    And even after checking the sreenshots several times i found no reason to make yet another disturbing paint-conversion like with the Cumans.

    May i ask, where you found the picture of the cross on green background, which you see on the screenshot of the upgraded Skoutatoi? I am sure about knowing this! The oval shield with that zick-zack lines at the rim. I just cannot remember where i saw it. Maybe at one of the paintings at Kalambaka?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konstantin Alexander View Post
    Well,

    what else can i say, than:

    Excellent work, SV. (again!)

    And even after checking the sreenshots several times i found no reason to make yet another disturbing paint-conversion like with the Cumans.

    May i ask, where you found the picture of the cross on green background, which you see on the screenshot of the upgraded Skoutatoi? I am sure about knowing this! The oval shield with that zick-zack lines at the rim. I just cannot remember where i saw it. Maybe at one of the paintings at Kalambaka?
    Thanks, I just created the models. The armor and shield textures are Whitewolf's and Disgruntled Goat's.


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    Yes, great work! Well done! They reflect late Byzantine forces quite well.

    For an impression of middle (DA & EALY) Byzantine troops take a look of these
    pictures from Byzantine soldiers after T. Dawson, the author of Osprey's Byzantine Infantrymen c.900 - 1204' (source http://www.levantia.com.au/ ):



    Basic apearance of Byzantine Infantrymen (carries here an axe too). After the Praecepta militaria Byzantine infantrymen were supposed to be equipped like that. The basic difference between different troop types was in their main arms not in their equipment! So troops could easily be transformed in an other type when needed. Hoplitai (also Skoutatoi or Skoutaratoi) carried a kontarion makron (pike or sarissa) as their main weapon. Peltastai the kontarion mikra (spear), Menavlatoi the menavlion a thick heavy spear of normal lenght & Riptaristai (also Akontistai) with javelins.
    The colour of the kabadion, their padded protective garment, may have changed from unit to unit, like the shield colour and design did.


    11th century super heavy infantryman. Most certainly a heavier armoured front-rank Hoplit. Though Hoplitai & Skoutatoi can be considered to be synonymous terms, the Skoutatoi used to be supposed to be armoured with mail shirts or lamellar in addition to the kabadion, while Hoplitai were only supposed to wear the kabadion only.


    Mounted archer. Though it could be either worn mail or lamellar the later wast generally recommended for all troops that were supposed to take part in hand to hand combat. Mail was recommended for officers (who were supposed to command not to fight in the first place), artillery crews etc. ...
    Lancers would have looked similar but carried lance and shield insteed of the bow and arrows. Though generally trained with both lance and bow, only skilled Byzantine cavalrymen performed as archers. Armour for mounted archers or (Hippo-)Toxotai was identic no matter if they serve as light cavalrymen, line cavalrymen or even Kataphraktoi. The later might have had horse armour when available...

    Kataphraktoi were armed with the mace as recommended main impact weapon. Arm and leg armour originally consisted of laminated greaves instead of mail and the klibanion was usually sandwiched between the kabadion and epilorikon - two types of padded protective garment. The first worn under the later over the klibanion (lamellar cuirass).

    They are almost perfectly adapted by LAca's Byzantine heavy spearmen:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111360

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    Maybe my post in an other forum regarding the Varangian Guard could have some use here, too:
    'The story behind these guys is roughly as follows (checking my books). The Danish and Norwegian Vikings are known to have gone westward on their war and colonizing trips, which ended, for example, in them calling their territory in northwestern France for "Norsemanland", which later became known as "Normandy" (home of the "Normans"), and the whole of England being conquered by the Danish king Sweyn Forkbeard (Danish "Svend Tveskaeg") in 1013 AD. Less is perhaps known that (most of) their Swedish counterparts went eastwards in a similar vain, travelling down the rivers there, reaching as far south as Constantinople. At some places along the way they established forts and colonies, and so connected Scandinavia with the Byzantine Empire. Some of these grew to small principalities with the Vikings as the ruling aristocracy (which slowly blended in with the Slavic population, just as the Western Vikings in Normandy mingled with the French population etc). This aristocracy seems to have been known as the Rus by the Slavs, and the name may have its origin from a certain part of Sweden, just as the Finnish name "Ruotsi" and the Estonian "Rootsi" for "Sweden". Now, one of these principalities was Novgorod, and by the end of the 9th century, one of its rulers had taken what could have been a similar colony at Kiev and transferred the capital of a new state to that town. Increasing contact between this state, which was first designated as Rus in 945, and the Byzantine Empire opened up the way for the former to be Christianized by the latter in the orthodox way and its links to Scandinavia to be more and more relaxed, until the old connection was no longer apparent.
    In the old Russian chronicles, the Vikings from Sweden were generally called "Varangians", from the Scandinavian word "väringar", which may mean "the sworn". Varangians served in the Byzantine Empire both as mercenaries in its land and sea forces, and the best of them as a special bodyguard for the Emperor (from which "the sworn" may have originated). This "Varangian Guard" is said to have numbered 500 and its commander carried the title "Akolouthos" - meaning "Companion", "Follower" or something like that. The loyalty of these guys could be depended upon and they had an appearance the Greeks found "terrifying": they had long hair hanging down, dragon coils on the shirt, a ruby in one of the ears and on the shoulder a big double-edged axe. The Guard existed throughout the Middle Ages, but from the 12th century onwards the recruits no longer came from the north (either from Scandinavia or Rus), but from western Europe, mostly Englishmen (who, incidentally, as a result of the Danish and Norman invasions, may have had some Viking blood in them, too). Some Slavs also came to serve in the "Varangian" Guard.'

    From this I would suggest to make the Varangian Guard of the game recruitable only as mercenaries in lands held by the Byzantines and only by the Byzantines, and this only to a limited extent. The fighting skills and morale of these guys should be among the very best available in the whole game, but their protection may not be up to the same standard. From the above one gets an idea how some elements in their appearance should look like. The info provided indicates that there should also be other kinds of Varangian mercenaries available to the Byzantines.
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