I didn't know this could happen...

[ajm317]

In my game as Italy in...I think...1738 one of my colonies in Africa was attacked by Benin. Benin was allied to Castille. With only a few decades left in the game I decided, what the heck, and decided on getting a war score of 100%, as a challenge.

Castille was quite large. In addition to Castille they had most of North Africa, most of West Africa, and much of the present day U.S.

But anyway, you don't care about that...so moving along.

The war lasted until 1759. I was chugging along and had managed to occupy every province but 1...some province in Virginia. Even that was under seige.

Then something strange happened.

On April 1st (April Fools?) all Castille's occupied provinces, except their capital flipped to me. As in, not occupied, actually mine. I was very confused. After I sifted through the 20 or so messages that resulted from my instantly accruing a BB of 170, I reloaded, played to 4-1 and it happened again. This time I sifted through the message log, noticed something odd, told the computer to do a popup on it and then reloaded one more time.

This was the message:

Shot at 2007-07-30

I checked the manual and saw nothing about this. Was I the only one who didn't know this could happen? It'd be pretty cool if it didn't leave my shattered armies at war with the entire known world.

Guess I'll have to settle for that war score of 99%.

What triggers this? I'd be nice to know how to do it (or not do it) again.

[William the Bastard]

I have never seen this happen. Interesting situation but it does make sense for them to do this. That BB hit is the worst I have heard of so far. Have fun with the inevitable BB war

[ajm317]

What's funny is that just days before I had offered them a treaty where all they had to do was release Songhai. They turned it down (it was worth 138 points.)

[KIllerGecko]

This event occurs when ever you have Every province of theirs occupied and their Capital (i think) Rebels, if rebels control the capital and rebels control more provinces than the actual nation controls, That event happens, i think you get like 2 or 4bb per province taken over like that.

[ajm317]

This event occurs when ever you have Every province of theirs occupied and their Capital (i think) Rebels, if rebels control the capital and rebels control more provinces than the actual nation controls, That event happens, i think you get like 2 or 4bb per province taken over like that.

Well rebels didn't occupy their capital, but it DOES sound plausible that the trigger might be that rebels occupy more of their land than they do. I believe that rebels held 3 of their provinces, and into March I believe Castille still had 3 left. DURING March I completed a seige and burned a colony, leaving only 1, which would leave them outnumbered by rebels.

Incidently it happened again, this time to the Incas, but they only controlled their capital and nothing else, so I didn't get any land out of the deal. They WERE under seige by rebels, so I think the rebels occupying more of their land than they do thing is probably it.

the BB sucked...(don't think you should get any BB as you are now saving the citizens from rebels and bandits, though you did sort of cause it....)

Tell me about it, I had a massive trading empire! Hard to trade with a BB of 165. There goes 6500 ducats a year down the tubes!

I think they should give you the option to take what you want. Just pop up the negotiation screen with a war score of infinity. Just giving you all the land (and the associated rep) with no warning at all is a little weird.

On the bright side it was pretty cool to get 80 provinces all at once. Usually it would take at least a dozen wars to accomplish that.

[lila-laune-bär]

If the rebels control more provinces than the regular government, a country collapses. If it's in a war, all provinces occupied by enemies switch to the occupier. The provinces gained by "turboannexing", as it's called, will cost the occupier a lot of badboy though. It can be used as an exploit to rapidly break a country.

[gr33kp1mp777]

that happens to naxos cyprus random german states and russian states all the time in my game


dont understand it at all

[William the Bastard]

that happens to naxos cyprus random german states and russian states all the time in my game

That sounds more like inheritance of other nations. This is normal and only wish it happened more in my games.

the BB sucked...(don't think you should get any BB as you are now saving the citizens from rebels and bandits, though you did sort of cause it....)

Agreed. Perhaps someone should mod it so that the BB hit is 0.1 for each province so it becomes the same as seizing a colony. After all you had no choice in the matter and it is very much like inheritance which doesn't give any BB hit at all.

[The Walrus]

Yeah its confusing. I once occupied most of England INCLUDING their capital and then a new king rose to the throne and i got all their lands except meath(which I didn't occupy yet) and immediately was at peace.

the BB sucked...(don't think you should get any BB as you are now saving the citizens from rebels and bandits, though you did sort of cause it....)

[Carach]

its called turbo annexing. people do it often with ming.

occupy all but the capital (or some other random province) wait until rebellion happens (send spies to incite it, or just avoid one of their provinces that is already rebel-sieged or rebel controlled). when u take all but that province(s) they will collapse, everything but that rebel province and their capital (or just the capital if thats where the rebels are) goes to you, and viola you have lots of provinces extra.

Watch out however for your bad boy - it goes sky high when u turbo annex major nations like ming (i did it accidently and took all but 2 of their provinces and as a result the entire world declared war on me, but it was cool as my empire stretched from spain to the pacific, south america to alaska and so forth)

[ajm317]

Well now that I know the rules I'll make sure not to let it happen again unless I want to.

Since my reputation has already been shot to hell in this game I went on to "turbo annex" the French, Burgundians and Ming. I figured, why not?

[Arakorn]

Apparently this is what happened to me too. I was Castille, and occupied all of Aragon except Malta. Then suddenly I got all their provinces except Malta and Barcelone, their capital. I was very confused, but happy (although I got like 17 BB's or so), only thing that was bad was that I didn't get Malta so that I could've annexed them in the next war.

[Edelward]

Yeah ,they ,probably,programmed it so in order to push European nations to fight more against the Third World ,then each others.
I really have won only 5 provinces in Europe on Meklemburg and 5 of them can be yet a problem - if some coalition would turn against me they can force me to release them to old owners.While in New World I have 35 cities(25 core) and 15 colonies - this game is about colonial expansion - I think - I mean it's so much easier to get native provinces - they get your culture ,religion ,nationality etc.
Paradox can make live hard for us - megalomaniacs - in last patch(1.5) of Crusader Kings more then 10-12 vassals means one or two would get trait rebelous ,more then 15 provinces in your own domain(demesne) means one or two provinces going long time revolts ...a bit too hard

[Kanaric]

This is called turbo annexation and I mostly only did it in EU2. You can exploit these to do a world conquest game. It helps against countries like Ming for example.

[LSJ]

!!! I better be careful. A big BB hit as a regional power can be quite devastating.

Thanks Carach for informing us how it happens. I want to avoid it until my nation is a superpower...

[removeduser_487563287433]

This happened to me once, also fighting against Castille and her empire, but as Portugal. I ended up with a BB of 130... but it's really no problem when you control the world. I also had massive war exhaustion which meant I had to put down about four revolts a month which bored me into quitting the game.

[Nutsack]

Ah finally I know what happened at my Swedish campaign in EU II. I controlled All of Poland except one province, which the rebels was besieging. To reach that province I'd had to either get permission from the Ottoman Empire or sail around Spain and to me neither one was particularly impressive because the rebels were already taking care of that province. So it ended up with a message that the Polish government collapsed but I never figured out why it happened and how I might exploit it in the future. Now I know if rebels hold more provinces than yourself, your government collapses, cool!