The Final Armenian Genocide Thread, Let's End the Debate Now

**Drtad** · July 22, 2007, 09:48 PM

You saw the title. Come at me with everything you got Genocide deniers.

Let's see if we can resolve this issue.

**Condell** · July 22, 2007, 09:57 PM

awww not again

**Drtad** · July 22, 2007, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Condell

awww not again

Unfortunately the other threads didn't resolve anything, so I want to see if mine can.

**Condell** · July 22, 2007, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Drtad

Unfortunately the other threads didn't resolve anything, so I want to see if mine can.

ok since you want to discuss just one question..

just wondering what is gonna happen if turkish government accepts this..
i mean ok the ottoman pashas forced deported and killed your people in 1915s, very unfortunate i agree
however stuff like this happened throughout history, my people killed the native indians for instance?
also i am pretty positive you have executed the three main people behind this genocide like enver

why are armenians pushing the turkish government and also other governments such as france to accept the genocide?(i know france did)

what is to come after an offically apology by the turkish government?
what is the driving force behind this push...

i see this issue as a big part of your diaspora, you are trying to let the world know

so
you just want to prove a point to the turks by making them accept? you want to make the world recognise how badly turks treated armenians?

or is there a basis for land/border disputes or reperations kind of deal coming after this?

**Da Skinna** · July 22, 2007, 11:17 PM

Jeez, can't we just agree it never happened?

I mean, jeez.

**Chaigidel** · July 22, 2007, 11:44 PM

that could be the motive for reminding everyone condell or perhaps they feel as if they have been genuinely ignored in history even though they were treated extremely badly-- even the native americans still have soviergn lands within the united states and outside of our law :O ( as reparations for our crimes obviously nothing can give back what was taken :O)

**Drtad** · July 23, 2007, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Condell

ok since you want to discuss just one question..

just wondering what is gonna happen if turkish government accepts this..
i mean ok the ottoman pashas forced deported and killed your people in 1915s, very unfortunate i agree
however stuff like this happened throughout history, my people killed the native indians for instance?
also i am pretty positive you have executed the three main people behind this genocide like enver

why are armenians pushing the turkish government and also other governments such as france to accept the genocide?(i know france did)

what is to come after an offically apology by the turkish government?
what is the driving force behind this push...

i see this issue as a big part of your diaspora, you are trying to let the world know

so
you just want to prove a point to the turks by making them accept? you want to make the world recognise how badly turks treated armenians?

or is there a basis for land/border disputes or reperations kind of deal coming after this?

Let's take Israel as an example. The Nazis were destroyed. Only a few vestige of their party remained in the new Republic of Germany. This German Republic, which was not the government responsible for the Holocaust, paid large reparations to Jews, and Israel was restored as a country in its entirety, all of the historical Israel was given to Israel. Now exactly this cannot happen for Armenia, because the area of Greater Armenia is faaaar too large for such a proposition (they'd have to ask for parts of Iran, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Iraq for that). The least they could do is perhaps stop the blockade that Turkey has instigated on Armenia which is really constraining its economy, and Armenia could get back territories which the Republic of Turkey took from the Republic of Armenia in 1921 (small area including Kars and the archaeological ruins of the Medieval Armenian kingdom's capital, Ani). That doesn't seem like too much, at least the blockade against Armenia should be removed.

@Da Skinna
You're not helping much...

**el_dude** · July 23, 2007, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Drtad

You saw the title. Come at me with everything you got Genocide deniers.

Let's see if we can resolve this issue.

sorry to burst your bubble but you know this issue can't be resolved

...there will always be people who deny the genocide

**Drtad** · July 23, 2007, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by el_dude

sorry to burst your bubble but you know this issue can't be resolved

...there will always be people who deny the genocide

Never say never. Anything can be resolved if both sides could just listen to each other and not have closed minds. Tommorrow I'll post which specific event will be debated first.

**~~Miraj~~** · July 23, 2007, 01:43 AM

While I agree the Armenians suffered great injustices, comparing it to the Holocaust is simply wrong.

The slaughter of the Armenians was effectively an extended and ultra-violent crushing of a minority, not for the the sake of their destruction, but because they were viewed as being actively disloyal.

**Primvs Sextvs Loverlord** · July 23, 2007, 02:02 AM

Armenians should get over it. It angers me to see an entire nation walking up to the door-steps of other nations with a "pity-cup" in their hands.

What's gonna happen next? Will Iraqis file a suit against Mongolia For Halaku Khan's invasion and subsequent extermination of Baghdad? Will the Indian state of Punjab sue the British military for the Amritsar massacre? Will Kenyans sue Her Majesty for the slavery, forced labor and a host of other wrong-doings done under her ancestors?

So Drtad, will Armenians stoop so low and ask Turkey to give them money?

Yes, Armenia might have been a "great country" once but since the last millennium or so, Turkey has been the dominant power in the region, Armenia just has to live with that. Trying to get even by making Turkey apologize for a genocide that's questionable at best is a poor attempt indeed at gaining importance.

I think the people of Tunisia should sue Italy because the Roman Empire burnt Carthage to the ground. Similarly, Egyptians should sue Jews because Moses unleashed a series of plagues on them during the whole "let me people go" thing. You see how silly that sounds? Yes, that's just as silly as the Armenians sound to me when they're beating their heads about this genocide thing.

**jankren** · July 23, 2007, 02:12 AM

I guess it sucks to be Turks because they dont have a single friendly neighbor. The Greeks, the Armenians, the Kurds and at some extent the Arabs all have problems with them.

**Primvs Sextvs Loverlord** · July 23, 2007, 02:14 AM

jankren, in other words, it sucks to be a former empire. Turkey invaded all it's neighbors at one time but you can't blame them, it was in their blood because Anatolia, itself, was invaded.

**~~Miraj~~** · July 23, 2007, 02:18 AM

I wouldn't say it "sucks" to be Turks. They are still the powerful party and would gain some respect if they owned up to the many injustices that happened during this time (1920s). They don't need to accept the whole "genocide" rap, but its important to rehabilitate old wounds. Both with the Kurds and Armenians. These people are never going to disappear and its best to just find some way to start a process of dialogue and recognition.

**Primvs Sextvs Loverlord** · July 23, 2007, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by mirage41

These people are never going to disappear recognition.

Orly?

Not if the Turks want to get their hands dirty again.

**Condell** · July 23, 2007, 03:15 AM

turkey looks like a country waiting to be divided, i mean everyone wants a part of the place

armenians want some regions close to their border, kurds want almost 1/3 of the country to be given back to them and granted full autonomy, establish their own country
the people around trebizon claim they are descendants of pontus rum and want autonomy...oh yeah and the whole greeks want istanbul back deal

wouldnt an offically apology of the genocide rile up other minorities in turkey? and that looks like something turkey cant afford

**~~Miraj~~** · July 23, 2007, 03:19 AM

Hmm, I guess when you look at the big strategic picture going soft on minorities could indeed be catastrophic for Turkey.

**Turk** · July 23, 2007, 03:30 AM

lol this was probably the 5 th last armenian problem thread but you guys know one thing:
A deportation is NOT a Genocide and if thousands of Armenians are killed thousands of Turks are killed also
and if peopel kill each other in a WAR then it is NOT a Genocide!!

This Thread is a proof how effective the propoganda is spreaded