are there limits to immigration?

[Amorphos]

are there limits to immigration?

britain seams to be getting towards its limits of immigration, our infrastructure just can’t take much more - and neither can its inhabitants [of any ethnicity]. if there are limits then surely the arguments for mass immigration were flawed to begin with?

i think there is an amount of people per acre beyond which living becomes uncomfortable, all the raods are continually jammed at every exit and there is very little countryside to enjoy. where there is somewhere nice to go it is always full of people which i think spoils it.

should countries have limits?

shouldnt humanity control itself as we have no predators.

less people would mean we can have more things without harming the environment so much.

[Giorgos]

Immigration is a tough business to deal with. One has to always put oneself in the place of an immigrant in order to understand the difficulties(and opportunities - when immigration is unchecked) and thats a pretty difficult thing to accomplish.
Britain has been having it really bad with immigration for many years now, and i don't think that the clash between cultures is many years away.

[Amorphos]

giorgos

i agree, the trouble is that although most people arent racist [at least not on a personal level], they also didn’t ask for all the immigration, it has been somewhat imposed!
in a way the government kinda brought the empire to britain for cheep labour, just as now we are using eastern europeans. of course it isn’t long before they rise up the ladder [not a bad thing of course] then more cheep labour is needed. it seams to me like a hungry monster with a veracious appetite that will never be appeased.

[Eranshahr]

There should be a limit to immigration, but then not only to " ME immigration" to all kinds of immigration, even immigrants from the neighbouring country.

Sweden had a limitation on immigrants during Social democratic rule, but is kind of failed, there were 15 000 allowed to come but the numbers of their last year was about 25 000 immigrants.

Now that the Right-wing parties are in charge they want more immigrants, the Centre party wants up to 90 000 immigrants a year. It is estimated that this year it will come 40-50 000 immigrants to Sweden, and most of them from Iraq.

I am for limitation because it is hard to give them all a home and a job, and to educate them. I have nothing against the immigrants themselves.

[LoZz]

immigration does have its limits.

their is only so many unskilled jobs the average brit feels he is too good to do, their is only so many single bed apartments they can afford to live in. if too many come and those things run out they start to take money out of this country and not put any in.

and of course if you dont control it you can upset some parts of the native community and cause a great deal of civil unrest which is quite common with the young white males in the uks inner cities.

[boofhead]

The recent spate of mass-immigration to Western nations is a result of big business in capitalist nations wanting cheaper labour and larger markets.

In more socialistic states it is the lefty one-world pinko it's all for humanity hogwash.

I despise both justifications.

Immigration is OK, but massive influxes of people from different cultural backgrounds is just a recipe for disaster. Mark my words - social HELL is coming to the West, and guaranteed within my lifetime.

[Miraj]

The recent spate of mass-immigration to Western nations is a result of big business in capitalist nations wanting cheaper labour and larger markets.

In more socialistic states it is the lefty one-world pinko it's all for humanity hogwash.

I despise both justifications.

Immigration is OK, but massive influxes of people from different cultural backgrounds is just a recipe for disaster. Mark my words - social HELL is coming to the West, and guaranteed within my lifetime.

I can't disagree with your general idea.

But please note that nations like Canada largely base their immigration policy on education, experience and human rights issues (asylum). My family gained entry to Canada solely upon the reason that both my father and mother are professional engineers. So not all immigrants are "cheap labour".

Here's a fact I know about Canada. Alberta has the hottest economy in Canada, largely due to the oil industry. The entire industry and engineering firms are totally starved of professionals because there are simply not enough Canadians going to engineering school to replace the people retiring. Thats why these engineering firms go hunting abroad for talented engineers (mainly pakistan, china, korea, india, iran, and a few arabs) and offer to kickstart immigrations process if they come over. And these engineers, like my parents, leave much better paying jobs in Kuwait (in our case), UAE and Saudi Arabia because of the extra benefit becoming a Canadian citizens (gulf arab states don't offer citizenship).

And I can see first hand everyday at school why this is so, in our electrical engineering program in University of Calgary, I'd say about 40% are east asians (chinese mainly) about 20% are Indian/:wub: and 10% are mideastern (arabs iranians) and the rest are locals. Thats a guesstimate, but I can state very confidently that white locals are a complete minority in Engineering. And this being a province where 95%+ of the people are white.

Thats my little snapshot of immigration and its causes where we are.

[Zadig]

I can't disagree with your general idea.

But please note that nations like Canada largely base their immigration policy on education, experience and human rights issues (asylum). My family gained entry to Canada solely upon the reason that both my father and mother are professional engineers. So not all immigrants are "cheap labour".

Here's a fact I know about Canada. Alberta has the hottest economy in Canada, largely due to the oil industry. The entire industry and engineering firms are totally starved of professionals because there are simply not enough Canadians going to engineering school to replace the people retiring. Thats why these engineering firms go hunting abroad for talented engineers (mainly pakistan, china, korea, india, iran, and a few arabs) and offer to kickstart immigrations process if they come over. And these engineers, like my parents, leave much better paying jobs in Kuwait (in our case), UAE and Saudi Arabia because of the extra benefit becoming a Canadian citizens (gulf arab states don't offer citizenship).

And I can see first hand everyday at school why this is so, in our electrical engineering program in University of Calgary, I'd say about 40% are east asians (chinese mainly) about 20% are Indian/:wub: and 10% are mideastern (arabs iranians) and the rest are locals. Thats a guesstimate, but I can state very confidently that white locals are a complete minority in Engineering. And this being a province where 95%+ of the people are white.

Thats my little snapshot of immigration and its causes where we are.

Yes, that's why immigration starts and is allowed, and at the moment that kind of immigration is good and usefull, but the problem in Europe is that well we needed it before but not anymore, of course I'm not saying that we have to get rid of the immigrants that came when we needed them but maybe the useless leeches we sould get rid of.



At the moment there is a legislation pending that immigrants that commit crimes should just be sent back, the problem with that is that they destroy their passports so that they can't be sent back, my solution.....send them to Somalia!!!

[boofhead]

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[removeduser_487563287433]

OP's image of Britain somehow about to implode bares no relation to reality. Perhaps he means Malta?

[kev-o]

A country has the right to control the flow of immigration into the country.

[boofhead]

Politicians tend to justify this massive cultural Babylon as "economically responsible". All I ever hear is "economics". 35 years ago when I was born I lived in a relatively safe, tight-nit and very human community. Since then I have fled and isolated myself from the mayhem, babble, ethnic-gangs and general **** that destroyed my childhood home. I do not blame this all on immigrants - for the indigenous or other assimilated person who has lived in an area for generation upon generation, a sudden influx of outsiders forced upon them by government in the name of the "economy" & Big Business is enough for most youth to lose their sense of identity and place in the social network, and even attain a grudge against that legacy which was rightfully theirs but has been squandered on their behalf by some dickhead with an economics degree who walks off into the sun while they have to live with the consequences.

We hear the same justifications in Australia. "We need doctors" - next thing you know you can't speak your own language and be understood in your own country. You can't say what you think about it publically, and it is too late. You can become disenfranchised from your geographical roots within 2 decades, and it stinks.

And when the next Hitler, or Neo-Nazi-type groups start to arise in Europe and the West in general, those same suited bastards who did it for the "economy" will be the ones who tell you the people who take it to heart and react are the ones at fault.

Common sense says that cultural osmosis takes time. These politicians, if they are really concerned for their constituents, must do it slowly.

[Eranshahr]

To get them killed?

the reason so many immigrants has been coming since 2001 is only because of NATO attacks against Iraq and Afghansitan, the Immigrants comes only because of your governments support for wars.

And Neutrual nations as Sweden gets all the Iraqi refugees. Maybe it is time for the EU nations to share fleing Immigrants, in fact Sweden is so generous to accept them, even if the whole thing is your mistakes.

[The Super Pope]

Ferrets: Very much depends where you go- Bradford, Lozells?

I think it was an evil labour conspiracy because the immigrants vote Labour, and they want to stay in power

[Amorphos]

let us not forget the housing shortage largely due to immigration! britain is 10% houses which doesn’t sound much,but when you live in the countryside like me and can’t get around country lanes for traffic jams and cannot travel half a mile without seeing houses, then it seams too much. something like three million homes are need to be built - where? on the radio today they were even considering the idea of building on green belt land!

i got no problem with immigration in small numbers, but i think it is unethical for cheep labour. even with skilled labour it can be a problem, in the construction industry eastern europeans are charging half the price of native workers who are mortgaged up to the hilt and cannot charge less - how can they compete with that?

[The Knight 2100]

I think immigration should be allowed. There should be some limits such as the number of immigrants allowed in each year, so that the infrastructure of the country can adjust to more people and so that society won't be overwhelmed and the immigrants will assimilate.

I also think that the country that receives immigrants must have the right attitude. Immigration works when the society has a very broad view of what it means to be a citizen and member of that nation. Immigration to America works because physical appearance, religious beliefs, ancestry are irrelevant to what it means to be an American. Someone can be white, black, asian, latino, etc. and they can still be an American. They can also be an American even if they weren't born in America.

I think that assimilation happens naturally. It's like how in America, most first generation immigrants assimilate, some don't, but most do I think. Their children are born and raised in America and naturally identify with America and are just as American as everyone else.

Overall, I think that immigration, if handled properly can be very beneficial to a society. It adds to the labor pool, increases demand and supply for goods and services, and can enrich the local culture with new foods, music, etc.

[Amorphos]

i agree chai

the knight 2100

america is vast and can support immigrants - and is a nation of immigrants. britain is tiny and has a population density equal to that of the most condensed nations in the world, moreover whilst in nations like india and china the populations are largely urban, in england they are more evenly spread throughout the countryside. they should be sending people back not letting more in!

[Chaigidel]

it all serves the super rich they dont give much of a **** about any body but themselves thats why they can justify destroying the middle class and bringing in immigrants because it doesnt bother them, but both the immigrants and the middle class and poor natives of any given country are all basicaly walked on by the super rich :OI