I registered to vote, did you?

[NaptownKnight]

Just registered at the BMV today, and I was wondering how many new 18 year olds like myself have registered and are going to vote in the upcoming elections.

[Poisoner]

I did that five years ago.

[mrmouth]

Good for you Naptown. Spread the word amongst your friends to do the same.

[NaptownKnight]

Good for you Naptown. Spread the word amongst your friends to do the same.

Thanks, and I have. Although telling them to do it, and them actually doing it are completely different things.

I did that five years ago.

I hope you didn't vote for Bush in 04'.

[Poisoner]

I hope you didn't vote for Bush in 04'.

As a matter of fact I did.

[Rhinosaur]

As a matter of fact I did.

How's that workin out for ya?

[Poisoner]

How's that workin out for ya?

If I have to explain how things with the canidate I voted for are working out to you, then I am afraid you are in the wrong forum. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I stand firmly by my vote. John Kerry is about as worthless as a paper towel, I would vote for Hilary before I ever voted for him.

[NaptownKnight]

As a matter of fact I did.

NOoooooh! Well tbh Kerry sucked too, but I think Kerry wouldn't suck as much as Bush. Don't know who I am voting for this year, probably a Democrat unless it's Hillary.

[Lord Condormanius]

Well of course he is. He just passed an executive order that gives him the authority to seize the property and money of anyone who stands in the way of the Iraq war. The only people who still support him are neo-conservatives that are actually nothing like conservatives, more like neo-liberals since they like to spend money without question and are warmongers.

Wow. I heard the seize property thing but I thought that it was satire by a critic...

I hope it is, I've only heard the news in passing, I haven't had a chance to really sift through the **** yet.

Here it is folks...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070717-3.html


"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,
(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:
(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;
(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.
(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
Sec. 2. (a) Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:
(a) the term "person" means an individual or entity;
(b) the term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and
(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.
Sec. 4. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.
Sec. 5. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.
Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.
Sec. 7. Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.
Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE, July 17, 2007."


I seriously doubt that this will hold up in a court of law, especially if it is abused to go after citizens to crush dissent.

[Poisoner]

NOoooooh! Well tbh Kerry sucked too, but I think Kerry wouldn't suck as much as Bush. Don't know who I am voting for this year, probably a Democrat unless it's Hillary.

Hilary is probably the better of the canidates. I think she sticks to her guns more than the others. I would really hate to see her in power, but not as much as washed up loser Edward.

[Rhinosaur]

Is the BMV anything like the Dept of Motor Vehicles?

[Kennylz]

I need to. I'm 19. Been planning on it, haven't got around to do it. Need to do it before the next presidential elections.

[NaptownKnight]

Yeah, its the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Thats what they call it here, I guess.

[mightyfenrir]

Yeah, its the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Thats what they call it here, I guess.

In Massachusetts they call it the RMV (Registry of Motor Vehicles) and in Arkansas it's the DMV but it runs out of the state's offices of Finance so they don't ahve their own buildings, you have to look for Office of Finance buildings... which I think it stupid as hell and it took me four hours to find the place I had to go to change my license...

Anyway, I registered on my 18th birthday 7 years ago, as I was dropping off my selective service papers...

[Rhinosaur]

Weird, I figured it'd be the DMV everywhere in the US. Good for you for registering to vote, we need more interested young people involved in politics.

[Rhinosaur]

Neo Liberals are the Milton Friedman, Liberals are a whole different bag. But overall, I agree Poisoner, if Bush (or anyone)tried some **** like that, I'd take to the hills with a gun and start the revolution.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Wow. I heard the seize property thing but I thought that it was satire by a critic...

[Rhinosaur]

Wow. I heard the seize property thing but I thought that it was satire by a critic...

I hope it is, I've only heard the news in passing, I haven't had a chance to really sift through the **** yet.

[Farnan]

I don't like it, but it doesn't say what you are saying it does. He can only seize assets of people sending said assets to insurgents and groups in Iraq opposing the Iraqi government.

(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:
(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;
(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

It is a slippery slope though.

(Lord Condo can you put that in regular type so it doesn't stretch the page?)

[Lord Condormanius]

It is a slippery slope though.

Things like this usually set the precendent...

I may be way off, but I figured out a long time ago that the plan of the Bush administration is to keep this country in a state of "war" (fear) so that he can do pretty much whatever he wants.

(Lord Condo can you put that in regular type so it doesn't stretch the page?)

So let it be written, so let it be done...