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    Born of a virgin
    Star in the east
    Born on Dec.25
    Preformed Miracles
    12 Disciples/followers.
    Crucified
    Dead for 3 days
    Resurrected


    In the classical world there are dozens of virgin born, crucified saviors, from all over the world. Who all share the above, general mythological structure. Such examples are, Horus of Egypt, Attis of Phrygia, Krishna of India, Dionysus of Greece, and Mithra of Persia. Also, of course Jesus.

    Why the same structure for all these saviors?

    First of all the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest start in the sky, which on Dec.25 aligns with the three brightest starts in Orion's Belt. The Three Kings. On Dec.25, Sirius and the Three Kings all align and point to the place of the sunrise on Dec.25. Thus the Three Kings follow the eastern star to the birth of the sunrise.

    The virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo the virgin. Virgo was also referred to as "House of Bread". The representation of Virgo is a virgin holding a chaff of wheat. This house of bread and it's symbol of wheat represents August and September, the time of harvest.

    From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter, and colder, and from the perspective of the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to move south and become more scarce. The shortening of the days and the expiration of the crops symbolised death to the ancients. It was the death of the sun. And by Dec.22, the suns demise was fully recognized. For the sun reaches it's lowest point in the sky. Here the sun stops moving south (to the viewer) for three days, and during this three day pause, the sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Crux constellation. After this time on Dec.25 the sun moves one degree north.

    This is why many sun gods, hold this crucifiction, three day death and resurrection cycle. It is the suns transition from the winter solstice to the summer solstice. It is not celebrated till the spring equinox, when the LIGHT finally overpowers the darkness of the world.

    One of the most easily recognized, astrological symbolisms is the 12 disciples. Which simply are the 12 constellations of the zodiac, that the sun travels about with.

    In early occult art, Jesus, is always shown with his head on a cross. This is the cross of the zodiac. We all know what the short hand version of the cross of the zodiac looks like. (Jesus is on it)

    Now, of the many astrological, astronomical metaphors in the bible, one of the most important has to do with the ages. There are many referrances to the age throughout the scriptures. In order to understand this we must be familiar with the procession of the equinoxes.

    The ancient Egyptians and many cultures long before them. recognized that approximately every twenty one hundred and fifty years the sunrise on the morning of the spring equinox, occurs at a different sign of the zodiac. This has to do with the slow anglular wobble that the earth maintains as it rotates on it's axis. The amount of time it takes the procession to go through all twelve signs is roughly twenty five thousand, seven hundred and sixty five years. Known as the great year, and ancient society's were very aware of this. They referred to every twenty one hundred, fifty year period, as an age.


    From forty three hundred BC to twenty one fifty BC was the age of Taurus the bull, From twenty one fifty BC to one AD was the age of Aires the ram, and from one AD to twenty one fifty AD is of Pisces the age we are in today. And somewhere around twenty one fifty we will enter the new age of Aquarius.

    The bible reflects, broadly speaking, the symbolic movement through three ages, while foreshadowing a forth. In the Old Testament when Moses comes down from the mountain bearing the ten commandments, he is angered to see his people worshiping a golden bull calf. After shattering the tablets he commands his people to kill each other to purify themselves.

    Moses represents the new age of Aires the ram which comes after the age of Taurus the bull. To this day Jews still blow the rams horn. Upon the new age, everyone is to shed the old age. Other diety's represent this transition such as Mithra, a pre christan god that kills the bull.

    Jesus represents the age of Pisces, or the two fish. Fish symbolism is abundant in the new testament as Jesus is know as the great fisherman. He feeds five thousand people with five loathes of bread and two fish. When he begins his ministry he befriends two fisherman who follow him. Ever look at the popes hat?


    In Luke 22:10 When Jesus is asked by his disciples when the next passover will be, after he is gone. Jesus says, "Behold, When Ye Are Entered Into The City, There Shall A Man Meet You Bearing A Pitcher Of Water, Follow Him Into The House He Entereh In.

    This scripture is by far the most revealing astrological reference. The man bearing a pitcher of water is Aquarius the water bearer. He is always pictured as pouring a pitcher of water. All Jesus is saying is that after the age of Pisces will come the age of Aquarius.

    Now comes the end times. Apart from the almost cartoonish depiction in revelations, this idea comes from Mathew 28:20 Where Jesus says, "I Will Be With You Even To The End Of The World". However in the King James version, "world" is a mistranslation among many. The actual word being used is "AEON" which means age. The whole idea of an end times is a misinterpreted, astrological allegory.

    Let's tell that to the nearly one hundred million people in America who believe the end time is coming.

    Furthermore, the character of Jesus is mostly a plagerization of Horus, the Egyptian sun god. For example, inscribed about thirty five hundred years ago, on the walls of the temple of Luxor is the miracle birth and adoration of Horus



    Fifteen Centuries before Christianity is the idea of an Jesus like birth.

    The images begin with the virgin Isis being told she is to conceive Horus, then Neph (sp?) the holy ghost impregnating the virgin. Then the virgin birth (top right) and adoration.

    In fact the literary similarities between Horus and Jesus are staggering.

    Horus-Jesus

    The mysteries -The miracles
    The Sem-The parables
    The ritual as the book of resurrection-The book of revelations
    The saying of Lu or Lu em hetep-The sayings of Jesus

    Too many for my worn out hands maybe i will get the whole list later after some discussion.


    As Far as the ten Commandments, They are taken outright from spell one twenty five of the book of the dead.

    What the book of the dead phrased, "I have not stolen" Became Thou shall not steal

    I have not killed became Thou shall not kill.
    I have not told lies became Thou shall not bear false witness, And so forth.

    In fact the Egyptian religion is likely ninety five percent, of the foundation of the Judaeo Christian theology

    BAPTISM
    AFTERLIFE
    JUDGMENT
    VIRGIN BIRTH
    RESURRECTION
    CRUCIFICTION
    ARK OF COVENANT
    CIRCUMCISION
    SAVIORS
    COMMUNION
    GREAT FLOOD
    EASTER
    X-MAS
    PASSOVER

    And many more are all Egyptian ideas long predating christianity or Judaism.

    Justin Martyr
    100-165AD

    When we say that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding the suns of Jupiter.

    Another writing
    He was born of a virgin accept this in common with what you believe of Perseus




    Jesus was the solar deity of the gnostic Christian sect. Like all other pagan gods he was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment that sought to historise the Jesus figure for social control.

    If this is a better fit inside the Jesus Myth thread, instead of a whole new one go ahead mod men!






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    I wonder how long until the esteemed ThiuderrickGunthigg (spelling, it's a hell of a name) enters and schools us all on the matter, as only he can.
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    The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhinosaur View Post
    I wonder how long until the esteemed ThiuderrickGunthigg (spelling, it's a hell of a name) enters and schools us all on the matter, as only he can.
    I guess I must. It seems we have one of these cut-and-paste "experts" popping up about once a week. I notice the latest one on the "Jesus Myth" thread - pranicmegan - ran away when challenged to provide some actual evidence and not quotes from anti-Semitc Nineteenth Century theosophists.

    Perhaps if the original poster can come back and provide some actual evidence, we would have something to discuss here. Perhaps they can point me towards the actual evidence for the following claims about Mithra:

    • Star in the east
    • Born on Dec.25
    • Preformed Miracles
    • 12 Disciples/followers.
    • Crucified
    • Dead for 3 days
    • Resurrected


    The they can provide the evidence for the following claims about Attis:

    • Born of a virgin
    • Star in the east
    • Born on Dec.25
    • Preformed Miracles
    • 12 Disciples/followers.
    • Crucified
    • Dead for 3 days
    • Resurrected


    That should keep them busy for now. And no, I'm not asking for another cut-and-paste job from some clown's website where these things are claimed, I'm asking for actual references in ancient literature or any other primary evidence that indicates that these claims are accurate.

    See if you can check these claims and substantiate them. I've been asking the people who make these baseless claims to back them up for years now and every single time they simply make them, wave their hands around and then run away.

    Let's see if today's cut-and-paster is any different.

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    Tk is a veritable library of gnosis

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    You pretty much took this directly from Zeitgeist: The Movie

    Many of your paragraphs are direct quotes

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...75979627863972
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    That Hieroglyph does not talk about Horus. That is a story about Akhenaten

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    I figured someone would have seen it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaleus Khron View Post
    I figured someone would have seen it.
    So are you going to back up any of your original assertions with any evidence? How, for example, can you claim Attis was "crucified" when the legend is that he was gored by a wild boar? How the hell can "gored by a wild boar" = "crucified"?

    Methinks, perhaps, you don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg View Post
    So are you going to back up any of your original assertions with any evidence? How, for example, can you claim Attis was "crucified" when the legend is that he was gored by a wild boar? How the hell can "gored by a wild boar" = "crucified"?

    Methinks, perhaps, you don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.
    First off, this is a word for word script for the movie "Zeitgeist", not just some internet idiot, though I'm sure plenty of internet idiots have educated them selves with this movie, and still remained idiots.

    Next, how does you point that, if he doesn't know what he's talking about, alter the conclusion at all?
    Specifically the pre-Cristian god parts.
    How about this, explain the astrological parts, which I believe only require a common understanding of the zodiac and astrology.

    From what I've seen, you have no argument disproving the original argument.
    Last edited by Poach; March 29, 2011 at 09:01 AM.

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    Board=boar=gored=bored. Does not compute.
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    The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nervous View Post
    First off, this is a word for word script for the movie "Zeitgeist", not just some internet idiot, though I'm sure plenty of internet idiots have educated them selves with this movie, and still remained idiots.

    Next, how does you point that, if he doesn't know what he's talking about, alter the conclusion at all?
    Specifically the pre-Cristian god parts.
    How about this, explain the astrological parts, which I believe only require a common understanding of the zodiac and astrology.

    From what I've seen, you have no argument disproving the original argument, your an idiot for trying (futility that is.)

    Dude. He's asking for evidence. The Burden of Proof is on the conspiracy nuts.
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    kaleus Khron,

    I don't want to steal your thunder but have to out of necessity. It is all very interesting yet not according to the writings of Hislop in the Two Babylons wherein he uses sources that were experts in ancient languages to express that your gods are no more than extensions of Ninus or Nimrod who according to Scripture was the first of the false gods.

    Now Ninus or Nimrod was the grandson of Ham and if so it is obvious that there was much more before your Horus who if memory serves me correct is Ninus himself. Indeed all the ancients knew of the prophecies made in the garden of Eden because they were passed down from Noah and Shem, even Ham if one considers that his version was of a different nature.

    Therefore your well put opinion based on what may well be indisputable facts gets the cart before the horse in the argument. It was not the Egyptians who led all these things, neither was it the Chaldeans but a people before they came into existence. Indeed if anything I would say that the Chaldeans were the forerunners well in advance of the Egyptians and must have been since the worship of Ninus was the first seen apostacy after the flood.

    As regards the remarks made about the KJV they are of course your opinion yet not the opinion of the deputy chief Rabbi of the UK who was kind enough to corroborate it whilst in conversation with me. But just to be sure I had his word verified by another Rabbi who confirmed that the KJV was accurate in translation. But of course it is easy to say that the Holy Ghost also verifies that by its longevity.

    No my friend, whatever is seen and calculated is as a sign of Jesus Christ of whom it is written actually made everything that is made. As for the end of times Jesus told all His followers to expect that at any time without doubt knowing that most or all of them and those that follow would be in heaven long before that event, why? Because it cannot happen until other things come to pass and as of yet they haven't.

    It is because we know for certain that they will happen that we live in expectation. Now you think that the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is a cartoon, well so be it. I'm just glad that for myself and fellow brothers and sisters that very book explains what will transpire at the end thus fulfilling a lot of what you have posted but not in the way you have translated it. But then it is also so very true that the blind cannot understand these things never mind put a reasonable case against them.

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    Ah yeah Christianity did begin life as one of the Gnostic Mystery cults they tended to share all these themes. They were originally meant to symbolise the suffering of the body and the immorality of soul. The idea was by following Christs example you could achieve immorality of the soul and a union with God. It the resurrection wasn't originally a literal historical event it was part of the initation ceremony of the cult.

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    I take it no one realizes that this thread is over three years old.


    Perhaps a mod should close this?

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    Seeing as this is a long dead thread, the OP hasn't been seen in years and TG has moved on from the debate I'm sure, I'll be closing this until we decide if it's worth leaving open.


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