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Opt Out of Organ Donation?
Hi, today the Chief Medical Officer in the UK has called for everyone to be considered an organ donor unless they opt out. Now there are political, moral and medical questions that something like this raises, so what do you guys think? Should it be done or is it a gross breach of freedom? Perhaps you think its the only way to solve the shortage of donors? Whatever your view lets hear it!
I can't articulate my own views at the moment but will attempt to later.
Vicarius
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Well, organs are your "property", so no one should have a prior claim on them unless you specifically authorize it. The real solution to the organ shortage is to allow people to sell their organs.
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Civitate
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Quite frankly i think the suggestion is disgusting.
Organ donation is in a sense a charity, a gift provided by those who wish to give it. No one has the right to use someone elses organs. Even medical experimentation requires specific permission.
The people who want to give that gift already do, they have donor cards. Expanding it to everyone is basically saying "we know you don't want us to harvest your organs but we're going to anyway".
What? If you have a donor card you want to donate, if you don't, you don't! Not hard is it?!Originally Posted by Gary88
Plenty of people actually. Just becuase you don't doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
Last edited by Syron; July 17, 2007 at 10:51 AM.
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Civis
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yes the whole deal with you might need your kidney in heaven right
Civitate
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I resent the ideology that the state has rights over your body.
And I do not trust the state to organize the opt out correctly.
No, and stop trying to be a smartass, it wont work. For a start if you had the skill of reading comprehension you'd see i'm an atheist........yes the whole deal with you might need your kidney in heaven right
I do not wish my organs to be used to preserve another’s life.
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The don't have the right. Hence the opt-out.
Vicarius
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When I die I want to die with a whole, full body.
Rebel
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So do I, but they don't cut your organs out until you die so this shouldn't make a whole lot of difference to that.
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Then opt out.
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I think it's a very good idea.
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as a registered organ donor i am all for it. basically it stops organs not being used simply because they dont know what your wishes were and you can still opt out if you dont want them taken (it is absurdly easy to become a registered organ donor i doubt it would be any harder to 'opt out') also organs may be your 'property' but who cares you're dead, why care so much about your liver but not your chest of drawers?
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hardly, it actually says, we will use your organs unless you ask us not to. a person dies every day in the UK because there are not enough organs and a single persons organs can help 50 different people
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Vicarius
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Big deal, it's not like people are dying left and right. Healthcare is seriously overrated. Sanitation engineers and farmers saved far more lives than doctors ever have.
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Civitate
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As i said before, there is no such thing as a right to a donor organ.
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I'd be for it, alot of people who aren't sure just don't get a donor card and they're organs may be lost. If you really don't want your organs to be given away then the "not a donor card" kind of system would make sense. People can only benefit from it. Selling organs is a real can of worms, how much to charge and whether you can sell them before you die, etc are all touchy subjects.
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you're right, **** doctors and all those kids dying without organs. i mean who cares about one person dying everyday...i want my organs to rot with meBig deal, it's not like people are dying left and right. Healthcare is seriously overrated. Sanitation engineers and farmers saved far more lives than doctors ever have.
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Vicarius
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People are using this blah blah think of the children response without even bothering to look at the evidence. This kind of attitude has a slippery slope trajectory, in that it results in justifiable arguments of all kinds of "helping things" that are at the expense of basic human rights and dignity.
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Campidoctor
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I understand where you're coming from with that but I will never donate my organs or my body to science. It could be an irrational fear that they'll see the sticker on my license and let me die at the scene of the accident to get my heart or it could be pure selfishness, I don't know. As mean as it is to say also, if kids are dying because they need organs then evolution probably didn't intend for them to live long enough to pass on their genes for a faulty heart, if you want to look at it from a purely scientific way. I partially agree with that but I also hate to see anyone die, especially if they haven't lived a full life yet. Regardless... no one is getting my organs... I plan on living whatever way ends up suiting me best, so in all likelihood no one is going to want my used and beat up organs anyhow...
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i agree there is no RIGHT but then youre fcuking dead and you dont need it any more...As i said before, there is no such thing as a right to a donor organ
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Re: Opt Out of Organ Donation?
And?
When i'm dead my possessions are divided according to my wishes via a will. It's not just one big free for all. Why should organs be any different?
Why should i have to carry around a card with me just so that when i die i won't be butchered? That's one ****ed up society!
Besides, an opt out system provides more complications than an opt in one.
Last edited by Syron; July 17, 2007 at 11:01 AM.
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