PRO DEO ET REGE: Caballeros Hidalgos

[Socal_infidel]

MEDIEVAL II TOTAL WAR:
PRO DEO ET REGE
“For God and King”
CABALLEROS HIDALGOS

CABALLEROS HIDALGOS: Comprised of lesser nobles, these mounted warriors ride in support of their knightly brethren. Armed with spear and protected by padder leather armour and an adarga shield, these men make useful light cavalry, able to chase off horse archers, run down light infantry, and to get round enemy flanks.

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[Icefrisco]

Just wondering arent those Jinetes with a different name?

[Socal_infidel]

Just wondering arent those Jinetes with a different name?

They're actually armed with a spear, rather than javelins.

Basically, I'm revamping the recruitment system for the next version and the Spaniards and Portuguese were a little light on "knightly" units. The idea is that knights and their retinues (i.e. sergeants and retainers) will only be recruitable from a different castle-only building line. The Iberian factions needed some retainers and from what I understand, the hidalgos were lesser nobles that fought alongside the royal knights. (Although, I'd like to get input from some of those more knowledgable on Iberia if possible.)

These are basically a lighty cavalry unit that can accompany the Mailed Knights into combat. Once I a) get a skinner onboard or b) get to skinning myself, I'd like to reskin them.

Nice AAR by the way! You're a good story-teller! I'm actually curious whether you went South or just hunted down Aleksios in Nikaeia...

Cheers!

[Icefrisco]

Thanks for clearing things up!

BTW, you might find out what happens in my AAR very soon.....

[rleitao]

(Although, I'd like to get input from some of those more knowledgable on Iberia if possible.)

I'm not exactly an expert but yes, you are right.
Hidalgos are lesser nobles (the word actually means "son of something", as in your father is an important person, maybe not even noble, just rich enough to deserve mention).
I wouldn't be able to affirm that historically they fought alongside the Royal Knights, but it does seem quite plausible.
I also have to say I do like the idea of having spears instead of Javelins.
I do think its more the case, anyway. They would be something like the Lanceros you can see in a corrida de toros nowadays.

Very light cavalary with spears, you cannot really throw that from the back of a horse.

Anyway, this mod apparently rocks, I havent tried it yet.
will get on with it asap.

cheers

[Socal_infidel]

I'm not exactly an expert but yes, you are right.
Hidalgos are lesser nobles (the word actually means "son of something", as in your father is an important person, maybe not even noble, just rich enough to deserve mention).
I wouldn't be able to affirm that historically they fought alongside the Royal Knights, but it does seem quite plausible.
I also have to say I do like the idea of having spears instead of Javelins.
I do think its more the case, anyway. They would be something like the Lanceros you can see in a corrida de toros nowadays.

Very light cavalary with spears, you cannot really throw that from the back of a horse.

Anyway, this mod apparently rocks, I havent tried it yet.
will get on with it asap.

cheers

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback! Be sure to check out my preview of the Crown of Aragon! I'm almost done with the units for that faction! Just have a LOT on my plate right now!

Cheers!

[PedroL]

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback! Be sure to check out my preview of the Crown of Aragon! I'm almost done with the units for that faction! Just have a LOT on my plate right now!

Cheers!

Portugal had the Cavaleiros Vilões (something like Militia Cavalry).
Another thing If anyone need my help in the Iberia please let me know

Something usefull

PORTUGAL UNITS (some of them)

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-Aventuros “Portuguese Unit” - Elite (Heavy Infantary- Armor "Plate", Pike, Shield, Sword) - Require Exploration Guild (only in Africa) "they were the veterans of the Wars in Africa" Can make a solid rectangular Phalanx Formation
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-Dismouted Knigth Templars - Elite (Heavy Infantary - Armor, Shield and Sword)
Portuguese Templars since 1128 until 1319
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-Dismouted Knight of the Military Order of Christ “Portuguese Unit” (replace the templer order in 15 March of 1319) - Elite (Heavy Infantary - Armor and Axe and Shield) – Require Guild of the Naval Order of Christ
History
Founded in 1318, the Military Order of Christ (previously Real Ordem dos Cavaleiros de Nosso Senhor Jesus Cristo) was the heritage of the Knights Templar in Portugal, after the suppression of the Templars in 1312.
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Order Of Christ Symbol








-Dismouted Knights of Avis - Elite (Heavy Infantary - Armor, Shield, and mace or War hammer or War Axe) - 1162

History
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After the conquest of Aviz a castle erected there became the motherhouse of the order, and they were then called "Knights of St. Benedict of Aviz", since they adopted the Benedictine rule in 1162, as modified by John Ziritu, one of the earliest Cistercian abbots of Portugal. Like the Knights of Calatrava in Castile, the Knights of Portugal were indebted to the Cistercians for their rule and their habit—a white mantle with a green fleur-de-lysed cross. The Knights of Calatrava also surrendered some of their places in Portugal to them on condition that the Knights of Aviz should be subject to the visitation of their grand master. Hence the Knights of Aviz were sometimes regarded as a branch of the Calatravan Order, although they never ceased to have a Portuguese grand master, dependent for temporalities on the Portuguese King.
At the death of King Ferdinand (1383) war broke out between Castile and Portugal. When João I, who had been grand master of the Knights of Aviz, ascended the throne of Portugal, he forbade the knights to submit to Castilian authority, and consequently, when Gonsalvo de Guzman came to Aviz as Visitor, the knights, while according him hospitality, refused to recognise him as a superior. Guzman protested, and the point remained a subject of contention until the Council of Basle (1431), when Portugal was declared to be in the wrong. But the right of the Calatravans was never exercised, and the next grand master of the Knights of Aviz, Rodrigo of Sequirol, continued to assert supreme authority over them.




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- Dismounted Knight of Santiago - 1171
History
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In Portugal, the order began to act also soon from his origins, still in reign of Afonso Henriques, but only it had bigger visibility from the reign of Afonso II, and overcoat, Sancho II. They detained as hackle the castle of Palmela and, then, it of Fortress of the Salt, what became be of the province espatária Portuguese.

He was a master comendatário of the Order in Fortress the great Pork sausage Peres Correia, which would bring it near again Main-grand of the Order, in Uclés, but not without before having given a brave contributo for the reconquest of Portugal – his strength, a great deal of the times led by him personally, they conquered, between 1234 and 1242, great part of the Low Alentejo and of the Algarve (Mértola, Beja, Aljustrel, Almodôvar, Tavira, I Castrate Marim, Cacela or Hiss); it was also with the help of this Order that Afonso III accomplished the conquest of the Algarve, in 1249, taking the last Muslim redoubts of Sense of smell, Loulé, Albufeira and Aljezur.


Cavalary:

-Jinetes or Ginetes - Light Cavalary (light armor, Javelins, sword and shield)
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- Vilan Knight (portuguese 'cavaleiro vilão') or Militia Knights (Armor, Shield, Lance and sword)
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- Feudal Knights
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- Portuguese Knights “Veterans knights” (Heavy Armor “Plate”, Lance, Shield, Sword)
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- Besteiros Reais (King Royal Mounted Crossbow Guard) – Elite (Armor “plate”, Crossbow, and sword)
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- Knights Templar – Elite (Heavy Armor, Lance, Sword, Shield) - (1128-1319)
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- Knigth of Avis – Elite “Portuguese Unit” (Heavy Armor, Lance, shield and War Axe) - 1162
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