Horsearchery (video)

[HorseArcher]

I made this video..like 2 years ago. Basically I outlined the comparsion between realistic horse archery and the game horse archer. I finally found it and uploaded it to youtube.

so here you go, enjoy:

[Miraj]

Thats is *amazing*. Its really fascinating to see that Horse Archer was more dangerous in reality than the game shows it to be.

Could you also post this in M2TW forums? Lots of people are ignorant about the most dangerous weapon of the medieval world.

Our mod, Broken Crescent, is set in the medieval middle east and heavily features horse archery. If you can have any advice for us for how to properly portray it then please do visit our forums: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=346

Thanks!

[HorseArcher]

Thats is *amazing*. Its really fascinating to see that Horse Archer was more dangerous in reality than the game shows it to be.


Thanks!

Sure ...though this guy is doing it for sports. So he is close to what it used to be, but they shoot a little different in the heat of the battle.

here is a longer video, which is the Kassai (the guy in my previous video) made it to be an official sport.
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQy_VTAT8ck (no enbedding allowed on this one, just click the link)

some people claim to be "horse archers" but I dismiss them because what they do are for show and need less skills . I mean, just look at the distance of the target to the archer, and compare it to the Kassai type of horse archery distance (above) such as this:



..and now watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKgSC7JPIk

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Nice video, man. That guy could shoot faster than someone using a shotgun lol

By the way, horse archers are very deadly in the game.

[Miraj]

By the way, horse archers are very deadly in the game.

I agree. Which is why our mod is lowering their missile attack by a lot. But whats more deadly in real life is that their rates of fire are so much faster than the animations show.


EDIT: Cool videos!

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Aww, only the middle video could be played. The first and last video were restricted to youtube.com usage only.

But whats more deadly in real life is that their rates of fire are so much faster than the animations show.

That's true. The only problem with faster rate-of-fire is that they'll run out of ammunition really fast

[Janissary]

Sweet videos. Yeah I love how it gets underrated by Westerners, because of their ignorance on everything that isn't 'Western'.

[HorseArcher]

Sweet videos. Yeah I love how it gets underrated by Westerners, because of their ignorance on everything that isn't 'Western'.

...well yeah.. and the fact that they were pwnd by the magyars for a good 2-300 years and they couldn't do a damn thing until they finally united and crushed them with overwhelming forces. Later the magyars were owned by the mongols , because we gave up our ways and followed the "western" so the tatars entered and razed hungary to dirt in 1241. Thanks "Western" world!

[Janissary]

...well yeah.. and the fact that they were pwnd by the magyars for a good 2-300 years and they couldn't do a damn thing until they finally united and crushed them with overwhelming forces. Later the magyars were owned by the mongols , because we gave up our ways and followed the "western" so the tatars entered and razed hungary to dirt in 1241. Thanks "Western" world!

Yes very true, but then again it was an area of religion and not so much of ethnic brother hood. If religion would't had played so much of a bigrole I strongly believe the Turanic nations in the Middle-East like the Seljuks Of Rum and the Mamelukes would had united under the Mongol/Turkic hordes without too much of resistance and the march onward to Europe would had been much easier. It was the right time for us Turanians to unite, but we wished to fight for our religion. Ghengis Khan was a great leader, just like Atilla the Hun, but oh well 'religion'.

The same goes for the Ottoman march in the Balkans, and the constant fighting between the Turks and the Hungarians, what a piety. Brothers should had not been fighting brothers.

[Zephrelial]

Magyars were superb horse archers... In mtw2 they were portrayed as poor horsearchers,in my mod I tweaked them along with Cumans,Mongols,Turkomans and Kazaks who also possesed excellent horsemanship and archery skills like the magyars...

[Serious Spamurai]

Horse archery vids from a true Magyar. The bows used by the Magyars were amazing, they could shoot 300m, and could be deadly at 200-250m, at 100-150 they could even pierce mail, if you were holding a shield, chances are your arm would get nailed to it by an arrow, a formidable weapon indeed. I think the only thing that stops them is good quality lamellar armour. Problem is, it's hard to represent them in game, because we can't change the power over distance, up close they are powerful, far away they are capable of releasing a rain of arrows. Game balance is a real issue with them too, you can't really just make a faction that's invincible even if they were. HA, a quick Q that will help with WotN, how exactly did Magyars fight their enemies with their bows, did the ride in close (Mongol style), or shower them from afar?

That's true. The only problem with faster rate-of-fire is that they'll run out of ammunition really fast

Just give them more ammo, I prefer to go with around 35, instead of the usual 20.

[polarbear297]

I agree how horse archery is amazing and all, but that was the biggest WASTE OF TIME . im sorry to say but it was.

[Miraj]

I agree how horse archery is amazing and all, but that was the biggest WASTE OF TIME . im sorry to say but it was.

A good chunk of humanity is descended directly from Genghis Khan. Nuff said.

[Serious Spamurai]

A good chunk of humanity is descended directly from Genghis Khan. Nuff said.

Aye, scientists found that almost a million people in asia appear to have shared the same ancestor, that ancestor would have had to have fathered around 1000 children, the only man with such an opportunity, they said, was Genghis Khan.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Horse Archers are already very deadly in the game. No need for further tweaks.

[Dulce_et_Decorum_Est]

Poking around the internet, I have found that there is a small but vibrant community dedicated to the practice and transmission of mounted archery, as well as the construction of authentic composite bows. The skill is obscure, but the art is still very much alive.

I do not envy the Roman legionnaire at Carrhae peeking from behind his scutum at men who had learned to fight from the saddle before they could walk.

I agree Mirage41, if the recent identification of a certain marker on the Y chromosome is correct, then about .5% of the world population, or about thirty million people are descendants of Temujin himself. It would be silly to write off mounted archery.

As for the performance of horse archers in game, I write it off as military drill procedure. If you zoom in on horse archers firing at the enemy, you can hear them calling "ready, aim, fire." They're clearly going through some sort of stereotyped drill, presumably to reduce the risk of accidents.

I have no idea if any such drill is historically probable.

I cannot account for their low ammunition storage, and I'm fairly sure the majority of mounted archers historically did not hold their bows "gangsta style."

That said, basic horse archers rule the early game in the East. The autoresolve doesn't think much of them, but with a little micromanagement they can consistently pull off ridiculous kill ratios.

[Subrosa Florens]

Horse Archers are already very deadly in the game. No need for further tweaks.

Yes indeed. Playing Scythia I routinely fought armies 3-4 times larger than mine and defeated them with relative ease. It only takes patience. In fact, I typically lost more people to friendly fire than to enemy action.

Add to that how cheap HAs are, and how easy to recruit. They are one of the most potent units in the game, and probably one of the most under-rated.

[LeonidasOfSparta]

After seeing this I will definetley start playing Scythia or Parthia!

LeonidasOfSparta

[Lord Romanus III]

Yeah so if I were to give my Parthian HA's that kind of speed they would be on freaking steroids by game standards. Good video though.

Cordially, Lord Romanus III

[Mithradates]

Basically I outlined the comparsion between realistic horse archery and the game horse archer.

The guy has skills but this is not the way how horsearchers fought in battles.

They rarely fought one-on-one battles, most of the shots were long range and area targeted, they closed to melee when the enemy were demoralised and loosened up by the permanent arrowfire and the threat of fake charge attempts, than the HAs charged through them cutting left and right, they never stoped for individual fighting but cuting someone and moving forward instantly before the guy had a chance to attack back.

This kind of targeted shots like on the video were fired mostly when they played the "we are fleeing, come chase us and let us shoot you down while you are stupidly think that you can chase down light cavallry", even at full speed the archers were able to shoot precise shots backward while they faked retreat but it worked only on moving (chasing) and unorganized enemies.