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    http://www.viewzone.com/future/index.html

    by Dan Eden for Viewzone

    I am a skeptic. I don't believe in fortune tellers or psychics. I certainly doubted that I could forsee the future. But, as I did the research for this article, I discovered that I was wrong. Everyone can see into the future and we do it all the time.

    Ooop! That wasn't supposed to happen.

    Our journey starts with an experiment conducted in 1976. Dr. Kornhuber asked a number of volunteers to be wired with EEG electrodes to measure their brain activity. He then asked the volunteers to flex the index finger of their right hand, suddenly and at various times of their own choosing. He wanted to measure how fast it took for the mental decision to move the finger to actually make the finger move. His results were not what he expected.

    Kornhuber expected to find a sharp peak in electrical activity when the decision was consciously made, at which point he would begin timing the trials. However, what he found is remarkable, namely that there is a gradual build-up of recorded electric potential for a full second, or perhaps even up to a second and a half, before the finger is actually flexed. This seems to indicate that the conscious decision process takes over a second in order to act! Even more surprising was that the volunteers were not aware of this delay and believed they were acting spontaneously and instantly.



    So what happened? Did the brain somehow "know" that the decision would be made in the future and begin planning the action?

    The experiment received little attention until another experiment conducted by Dr. Libet in 1979 raised questions about our conscious perception of time and the idea of "now."

    Everything "now" happened already!

    Libet tested subjects who had to have brain surgery for some reason unconnected with the experiment and who consented to having electrodes placed at points in the brain, in the somatosensory cortex. He monitored the electrical activity while stimulating their skin. To his amazement it took about a half-second before the subjects were able to perceive the stimulation. Further experiments showed that this same delay - about a half second - was needed for all sensory input to reach consciousness.

    The significance of this is enormous. Everything we know about the external world right now - the sounds, the sights, the feelings - are all being delayed. Everything that you think is happening right now actually happened already, about half a second ago!

    So how is this possible? How do we drive cars, catch baseballs, swat flies and write or draw if it's all delayed? Well, the obvious answer is that we have adapted the ability to compensate for the delay by projecting our behavior into the future, which is really "now."

    Confusing? Wait... it gets even better.

    Five Seconds In The Future

    Marilyn Schlitz connected volunteers to a series of monitors, similar to a lie detector, to measure their heartbeat, perspiration and other nervous activity. She then had them sit in front of a computer screen and began showing them a series of images which were selected at random by the computer from a large collection. These images were described as either "neutral" (boring) or "emotional" (erotic or morbid). As expected, the subjects showed physical and mental excitement when the "emotional" images were shown and showed less reaction to the "neutral" images. But as the experiment continued, something weird happened.

    Researchers began to see that most people, unconsciously, began to react to the "emotional" images a full 5 seconds before they were selected by the computer program! What's more, they did not react to the "neutral" images. This result was statstically significant (p=0.00003) and has been repeated many times. It strongly suggests hat subjects can perceive the future.

    Another study, described in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, was reported by psychophysiologist Rollin McCraty and his colleagues from the Institute of Heartmath in Boulder Creek, California. McCraty's group simultaneously measured skin conductance, heart rate, and brainwave activity before, during, and after 26 participants viewed emotional and calm pictures. They found that both the heart (p < 0. 001) and the brain (p < 0. 05) responded about 5 seconds before the future emotional stimuli, and to their amazement, that the heart responded before the brain. They also observed significant gender differences in the processing of this future information (women performed better, on average, than men). They concluded: "Our findings suggest that intuitive perception is not a discrete function produced by a single part or system of the body alone. Rather, it appears that intuition may in fact be a system-wide process involving at least the heart and brain, together, in the processing and decoding of intuitive information." They highlighted that "the fact that the heart is involved in the perception of a future external event is a surprising, even astounding result, especially from the classical perspective that assigns the brain an exclusive role [for perception]."

    How do you feel?

    Here are eight pictures, some neutral and some emotional. Before you view each image, try to sense how you feel. Is the picture neutral or emotional? This isn't a real test but it will give you an idea how the actual experiment worked and felt.

    FUTURE GLOBAL CONSCIOUSNESS

    Five seconds isn't a long time to see into the future. It doesn't allow you to pick tomorrow's lottery number or predict the headline. But there is strong evidence that this ability to see future events may extend for several hours.

    Dr. Roger Jahn from Princeton University developed a small computer (the Random Event Generator or "black box") that generated random numbers. The numbers were converted to either "1" or "0" and were recorded over various time intervals. The device was similar to flipping a coin and resulted in an equal number of "1s" and "0s."

    The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

    During the late 1970s, Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

    It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

    Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts in the patterns of numbers.

    From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

    Using the internet, he connected up 60 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

    But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too. It was the day when over one-billion people, from all around the globe, watched the funeral of the loved Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminister Abbey.

    It seems that, without making a conscious effort to focus on the "black boxes," the collective psyché of humanity was able to change the random pattern. This amazing event prompted Nelson to install the "black boxes" in 41 different countries around the globe and wire them together over the internet so that the collective results could be instantly monitored. And this is when he noted something even more extraordinary.

    Something happened just prior to 9-11-2001 also!



    On September 11, 2001, the normally flat line of the boxes began to peak, warning of an event of terrible proportions a full 4 hours before the first plane hit the World Trade Center! Could the collective human mind have "known" what was going to happen?

    According to the researchers:

    "One way to think of these startling correlations is to accept the possibility that the instruments have captured the reaction of a global consciousness beginning to form. The network was built to do just that: to see whether we could gather evidence of a communal, shared mind in which we are participants even if we don't know it.

    Groups of people, including the group that is the whole world, have a place in consciousness space, and under special circumstances they ¡© or we ¡© become a new presence. Based on evidence that both individuals and groups manifest something we can tentatively call a consciousness field, we hypothesized that there could be a global consciousness capable of the same thing. Pursuing the speculation, it would seem that the new, integrated mind is just beginning to be active, paying attention only to events that inspire strong coherence of attention and feeling. Perhaps the best image is an infant slowly developing awareness, but already capable of strong emotions in response to the comfort of cuddling or to the discomfort of pain."

    In the last weeks of December 2004 the various "black boxes" again went crazy, showing dramatic peaks while everything seemed peaceful and calm. Just 24 hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people. Was this another example of "future shock?"

    Several other historical "emotional" events have been recorded by this method and continue to suggest that the effect is real, yet still unexplained. The boxes are now monitored and studied by the Global Consciousness Project and the results and graphs for past and present are made available to the public at the website.

    What's happening right now in the world?

    What does this mean?

    Since out nervous system is hard wired with a delay of about one half of a second, we have had to develop the ability to anticipate the future. This function is not only beneficial but vital to our survival. Hand-eye coordination and avoiding danger in the "real time" world demand that we have this ability. It is not surprising then that this ability should extend beyond a half-second, perhaps diminishing as it extends toward the future. It is also possible that this ability can be concentrated from a group or collection of human minds in way that we have not yet tested.

    Spiritualists value collective prayer and meditation as an effective force to change nature or petition higher powers. Until now the ability to see the future has been considered mystical or paranormal. Now, with the recognition that this ability is innate to humanity, perhaps we can develop and refine it to make a better world and a more pleasing future for our species.
    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

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    Just to pick out one of your amazing claims:

    PEAR applies more scientific rigour to it's research than most paranormal researchers, but there are still those that disagree that anything remarkable is going on here.

    http://www.skepdic.com/pear.html

    One might also ask how they generates their random numbers, always a critical question in such experiments.

    My primary objection to this project is that they sit there and collect data, then whenever they have an unusual peak (which you would expect to have every so often) they rush back to their newspapers and look for some event to tie it to. Since there is always something going on in the world, it's not too hard to imagine there is always something to tie to every peak. One wonders how many major world events do not have a peak associated with them.

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    Excellent objections. Actually, though there are experiments on these items which are not crappy. Interesting, complicated matter though.

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    although i am skeptical
    it was a fairly interesting read

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    Actually Libet's work is misused in that article.

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    i think i saw a program about this on one of the discovery chanels , in another programme it was said that this was an ability thats was developed and passed down to us by out ancestors to protects ourselves againts predators.

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    Global Consciousness Project

    It seems this project actually exists and they are quite serious about this.

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    Doesn't mean they're right. We all, of course, have an innate ability to perceive the future, known as "educated guesses", "hunches", etc. The question is whether there's anything paranormal (in contradiction to the known laws of physics) going on here.

    I'm unimpressed by the claims of spikes in the black boxes meaning anything. As ajm says, they're bound to happen by chance, and it's easy to associate them with whatever convenient event is nearby. The scientific way to proceed would be to hypothesize as to what they're connected to (say, large-scale tragedies/deaths), then independently assess the level of the events you're looking for, and compare with the numbers afterwards. Retrofitting your results to whatever's handy is dishonest and certainly unscientific.

    The intro is a red herring, by the way. All that the experiments in question showed was that conscious decision doesn't occur instantaneously. And the second part, about seeing five seconds into the future, doesn't specify how the next image was selected (was it a cryptographically secure random-number generator?), whether there were any other possible cues such as a researcher standing nearby who knew what the next image was, or how the results were examined (double-blind?). Extraordinary claims, such as the claim that causality is broken by the human mind, require extraordinary evidence, not just a couple of dodgy studies published in journals of "alternative medicine".
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    I think that there is at some degree, however small a shared human consciousness, however no one can use it to any real degree.
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    I am good at predicting the future when school friends are concerned - I have predicted a few things to a awesome extent - e.g. predicting a arguement or event weeks in advanceand accuratly predicting almost to the letter what people will say. Is this paranormal? No it isnt - its just aplying comon sense with gut instinct - which is basically sub conscious thought anyway.

    Is dodging when someone throws something at you from behind predicting the future? No its subconcius thought - e.g. your senses telling you something but not enough to register properly but making you react anyway.

    No one can predict the future all the time or infact anywere near all the time - smart people have subconcius thoughts which are we call hunches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    I think that there is at some degree, however small a shared human consciousness, however no one can use it to any real degree.
    That's not a very scientific belief, however, as stated.
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    i dont know how relevent what i am about to say will be but bear with me, its to do with the Electroencephalograph at the begining of the article.

    because of the nature of the work i do i have been reading up alot on various phychological effects such as stress anxiety depression etc. the other night i was reading a chapter in a book about relaxation techniques, it was about 'getting to know your body' and involved you, through various processes, relaxing your muscles untill you were able to focus on each particular muscle group (thigh, calf, lower back etc) because in day to day life we go without actually thinking about how muscle activity feels. its rather like the way we dont feel our clothes unless we think about it. anyway the relevent point is that it mentioned something about muscle tension and sleep. when we think about using muscles our brain subconsciously begins to use the part of the brain that controls the muscles in question but it is not until we actually make the movement that our brain triggers the actual muscle. durring sleep we no longer go through this process of tensing muscles in preparation but only the process of actual movement and this helps the body rest. now i havent looked this up in a more neurological sense because i only read this last night but if there is truth in this it seems to fit the EEG paterns that are rising even before the actual 'decision to move'. anyone who has studied physical education may be aware that 'muscle tone' is described as a muscles slight tension or preparation to work, or whats known as 'isometric muscle contraction' which is where muscles are doing work without changing lenght, this is how we stay stood up.

    anyway i hope that was relevent or at least mildly interesting to at least one person.
    I don't think the effects are connected, really. The results apply even to non-muscular brain activity, like perception: there's a detectable lapse between registration of visual signals in the brain and conscious response to it.
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    well there is more going on in heaven and earth than man can know as the saying goes or something like it.-- interesting

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    i dont know how relevent what i am about to say will be but bear with me, its to do with the Electroencephalograph at the begining of the article.

    because of the nature of the work i do i have been reading up alot on various phychological effects such as stress anxiety depression etc. the other night i was reading a chapter in a book about relaxation techniques, it was about 'getting to know your body' and involved you, through various processes, relaxing your muscles untill you were able to focus on each particular muscle group (thigh, calf, lower back etc) because in day to day life we go without actually thinking about how muscle activity feels. its rather like the way we dont feel our clothes unless we think about it. anyway the relevent point is that it mentioned something about muscle tension and sleep. when we think about using muscles our brain subconsciously begins to use the part of the brain that controls the muscles in question but it is not until we actually make the movement that our brain triggers the actual muscle. durring sleep we no longer go through this process of tensing muscles in preparation but only the process of actual movement and this helps the body rest. now i havent looked this up in a more neurological sense because i only read this last night but if there is truth in this it seems to fit the EEG paterns that are rising even before the actual 'decision to move'. anyone who has studied physical education may be aware that 'muscle tone' is described as a muscles slight tension or preparation to work, or whats known as 'isometric muscle contraction' which is where muscles are doing work without changing lenght, this is how we stay stood up.

    anyway i hope that was relevent or at least mildly interesting to at least one person.
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    Is anyone aware that the number of renounces to fly on planes which are then going to crash, is significantly higher than that on the average plane?

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    How significantly?
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    I don't have the book here. You should visit Rupert Sheldrake's site, just a bit of search would suffice. He is a biologist and a member of Royal Society. Together with one Nobel prize for physics whose name I don't remember as of now (starts with a J) he is one of the prominent "validated" supporters of scientific parapsychological studies.
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    I'm always pretty hyper skeptical about stuff like that this that I consider nonsense. But basically he has a load of random numbers coming out and occasionally you get a bit of a spike at some random time. Then just to make it fit with his theory he connects that to some event. Its quite possible there were some other spikes that he couldn't find anything relevant on that he wont say about or if the spike coincided with world cup final or something he'd go ooooh look at that.

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    I first came across Rupert Sheldrake's work in the 1980's in a popular science article where he described his theory of morphic resonance as applied to discoveries in chemistry.

    His assertion was that physical laws or properties do not actually exist before they are first observed by a human (a sort of echo of quantum uncertainty). I think the example given was that if two scientists simultaneousely conduct experiments to observe the crystallisation of a new compound, then that form is undecided until the first observation is made - at which point a morphological field is created which forces the same result to occur in all subsequent experiments everywhere in the universe, including experiments that had occurred in the past but had not yet been observed.

    My immediate reaction was that this was complete rubbish and that he was some sort of charlatan. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that he was a serious scientist with a PhD in biology.

    I still think his theories about physics and chemistry are complete rubbish - but I have come to understand that the label "scientist" doesn't tell you all that much about the person or the weight of their opinion on a given subject unless you also know their specialty.

    Sheldrake is a biologist and he has attempted to describe the non-living physical world as if it too was a living system.

    What really irritates me - as someone with a physics-like view of things - is that Sheldrake is interested in effects and not causes.

    The effects he proposes are really exciting (if they were true), but the mechanisms he ascribes to them seem arbitrary and trite. He proposes the morphological field, but doesn't seem to be interested in what such a thing might actually be - it is merely a mechanism for the exciting effect.

    damn - I'm grinding my teeth..... have to stop typing.......

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    You see, Sheldrake has data, both experimental and coming from metanalysis of air traffic. His theories do not interest me. His data do.

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