IRA, Heroes or Villains?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Well, at least you finally admit that you hold democracy in contempt. Tyranny, I call that, but that's just me.

[Rob_the_Celt]

Ha, ye. Thats exactly what i said . A system where 49.99999% of the people who vote don't get their wish and the will of the majority is carried is perfect? Theres nothing wrong with that at all? Like I said in the post, its a flawed system of government but its still the best one that we've got.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Actually the Republic of Ireland has proportional representation, as far as I know.

[Rob_the_Celt]

Ye we do, which is almost as confusing as it is fair at times, but its still a form of democracy and is still far from perfect.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Well yes but it doesn't mean that 49% can go unrepresented.

[Rob_the_Celt]

That would depend on how the voting goes. We get a few candidates in for each constituency so the chances are that your second or even third vote will count if the person you vote for is elected or eliminated on a later count.

[Rob_the_Celt]

The vote for Home Rule was, but did we ever get it?

[The Super Pope]

The vote for Home Rule was, but did we ever get it?

I'm sorry, those inconsiderate Germans getting in ireland's way. and, yes the majority get what they want in democracy, which is why it is fair because it is the will of the majority

[Rob_the_Celt]

I'm sorry, those inconsiderate Germans getting in ireland's way. and, yes the majority get what they want in democracy, which is why it is fair because it is the will of the majority

Check and see how long it took home rule to happen before you post. I've said before that we should have been able to get independence without a war but to those who started the fighting, and who represented the majority of Ireland, there wasn't any other options available at the time.
By the rules of democracy Ireland should have been independent loooong before it was too, the majority wanted out but it took Britain a long time to realise that. I wonder if some of you actually have realised that by the opinions ye show here!

[shadepanther]

The vote for Home Rule was, but did we ever get it?

It wasn't implemented because it was delayed by the first world war and then in the 1918 election Sinn Fein (who else) decided they didn't want it and set up their own Dail.
Just three MPs and four senators showed up for the implemented Home Rule Parliament.

I will answer the other longer reply when I have time.

[Rob_the_Celt]

It wasn't implemented because it was delayed by the first world war and then in the 1918 election Sinn Fein (who else) decided they didn't want it and set up their own Dail.
Just three MPs and four senators showed up for the implemented Home Rule Parliament.

I will answer the other longer reply when I have time.

If 7 people who were elected turned up for it where was everyone else? Possibly at a democratically elected Dail where they represented the majority of the people of Ireland?

[shadepanther]

If 7 people who were elected turned up for it where was everyone else? Possibly at a democratically elected Dail where they represented the majority of the people of Ireland?

Well they wanted Home Rule and when they got it, it wasn't "good enough" for them.
It was democratically elected from the 1918 election (which wasn't very democratic because of ex soldiers making themselves and their dead friends vote sinn fein - which is why we need to bring id when we vote now)

[The Super Pope]

The bill was passed in 1913, but the war prevented it being implemented. If you have a source saying anything different, I would love to see it because it is wrong

[Rob_the_Celt]

The Irish Government Bill 1886.

[The Super Pope]

That didn't pass did it?

[king-nord]

who the hell voted always heroic?

Americans.

IRA of 1920 were honorable and fought for a good cause.

The IRA 1960's onwards wernt.

Btw the SaS never commited any atrocities. Malta shouldn't be seen as one.

[Rob_the_Celt]

The majority of Ireland wanted it passed though, didn't they.

[finneys13]

What an abortion of a thread, haven't all these points been brought up before in older threads?

Yes, the borders of NI were wrong when the state was set up in 1921, Tyrone and Fermanagh both had Republician County Councils, who wanted to be ruled by an independent Ireland based in Dublin, they were forced by the Unionists in time to be ruled by Belfast, and then the Unionist government did a spot of gerrymandering to make sure that Tyrone and Fermanagh CCs stayed pro-Union. The border should have never been made by just using excisting county borders, but by some fully independent commission, which would have left a much smaller NI but more homogenous in population.

But it is too late now, the island will only be united if both sides of border vote demcractically for it. But if that day comes, many Unionists such as Lewis will still fight against the democractic wish of the island.

[Rob_the_Celt]

This has all come up again and again and again and again and again. They're starting to learn though, they're posting up stuff that did actually happen and trying to analyse it so it could be worse I suppose!

[Caoimhan]

This has all come up again and again and again and again and again. They're starting to learn though, they're posting up stuff that did actually happen and trying to analyse it so it could be worse I suppose!

shadepanther never answered that caomhan fella's post which was class