Do women doom their own selves regarding equality?

[Kennylz]

Edit: Thread should of been titled. "Do women hurt their own cause regarding equality?" I tend to use dramatic language when first making a thread.


I don't want to make a drawn out statement, since its been talked about before, and is pretty aparrent, but it seems like calling men, and women equal in this day, and age is patronizing. Sure, they are more equal then in any other time, but come on, its almost like some sort of running inside joke.

Intellectually, women have equality. There really is no difference between a female scientist, and a male scientist. Its about as pure as equality as the sexes go. Everything down from there though, you start noticing it becoming less, and less equal.

Art. In everything except music, there is usually a level of equality among the sexes, but once we drift off into the realm of music, depending on the genre, women are exploited on such a level that it blows my mind, and the funny part is, alot of them dance to the same degrading lyrics without a whimper of protest. Oh well, its cool, and you don't want to be seen as some feminist butch right?

Business. There is no avoiding it. On one end of the spectrum there is the independant, power CEO women who are corporate savy, and make a ton of money with the men, and on the other side, you have women who prostitute themselves for favors, and advantages. The same reason they do it, is the same reason that they will never be taken as seriously as a man in their position. It's really shameful, and dissapointing that it still happens so often, which it does, though more, and more it is being kept at lower level positions.

Relationships. We all already know about this one. Unless you are dating a feminist, not alot has changed, except women are sexually liberated, and give it up easier. For this, I say boo equality, though this spills over into domestic disputes in which the male is always irrested regardless if he had a bullet in his neck, and the woman was holding the gun.

Athletics. Men and women will never be equal in any athletic sport, ever, unless women form a dna cult focused on fundamentally changing their body types. Sure, there are hard as steel Korean female kick boxers who could destroy men, but the amount of effort a woman has to put into reaching the same result as a man, and the stigmatisms toward them in society, well, its just not there. Theres a reason men, and women are seperated even in less physically demanding sports like Golf.

I've seen professional WNBA players get beaten by male amaetures on reality shows, on basic will of force alone.


So, whats the views? Am I a chovonist pig?

[Poisoner]

Yes you are t3h pig.

[removeduser_487563287433]

OP makes the mistake of implying only men have sexual desires. Men can prostitute themselves out for favours too.

[Lunar4]

You just speak the plain and simple truth and if in some peoples eyes that makes you a pig then so be it.

[enoch]

humanity is what really dooms equality - that and allowing our strong to reproduce with our strong and our weak to live, for thousands of years....

[Lord Rahl]

Feminism, although it may seem to bring about "equality" to women I believe that is brings further exclusions and inequality to society, mostly to men. I've taken a couple of sociology courses and in the sex/gender subjects basically all you learn is that men are evil. We drink, we rape, we do everything bad. Women don't do any of that and if they do it is the man's fault. That is a generalization that I have made but if you wish to debate further into that we can.

Feminism, in short, doesn't let men be men and women be women. If a guy with his shirt off, chopping wood is "manly" then that is ok. If a woman cooking some tasty chicken is "feminine" then that isn't ok, however. Feminism refuses to accept the roles of men and women. Women's bodies are meant to grow and support a child. For some reason feminists feel that in spite of that fact they shouldn't be thought of caring for the majority of the child's early life. I'm sorry but biology says different.

Feminism wants women to "have" everything that men "have" and yet refuses to acknowledge the work and harships that every single person must go through to achieve this. Feminism doesn't want to include women into society as equals. Sure, feminists may say that but it just doesn't happen. Asking for the same things that someone else has without having to work for it isn't equality.

Feminism has brought about an attack on the roles of men and women. Because men and women have certain roles, is that a "bad" thing? No. Just because some people have accepted this fact doesn't make them a sexist. Whether you believe it or not women tell me that I am one of the nicest guys they have and yet when they hear my views on men and women they some how feel that I no longer care for them. For some reason because I believe that the roles of men and women are different yet equal makes me a bad person in a feminist's eyes.

Sure, go to school, try to get a job just like everyone else but don't whine about how hard your life is because, oh, you're a female. Men and women have to deal with hardships all the time. Don't make things sound worse for women. In the West women argue for their right to have an abortion and yet hardly pay any attention to the troubles around the world OTHER THAN women. Special interests only bring about special interests...which isn't equality.

[MasterAdnin]

I agree Rahl. In Islam, men and women are equal, but not the same. They have different roles based upon what they were meant to do by God, feminism goes against this idea and insists that men and women are the same, when it is in fact, not true. Men and women may be equal, but they are not the same.

Salaam bros,
Adnan

[Zephrelial]

I agree Rahl. In Islam, men and women are equal, but not the same. They have different roles based upon what they were meant to do by God, feminism goes against this idea and insists that men and women are the same, when it is in fact, not true. Men and women may be equal, but they are not the same.

Salaam bros,
Adnan

In Islam Men and Women are NOT equal...I'll find the appropriate verse about this in Quran and edit my post.

[Vuk]

In Islam Men and Women are NOT equal...I'll find the appropriate verse about this in Quran and edit my post.

How are these.


Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."



Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."



Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"



Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death (more than likely by starvation or dehydration) claims them."

Vuk

[Zephrelial]

How are these.


Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."



Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."



Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"



Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death (more than likely by starvation or dehydration) claims them."

Vuk

Although the one I seek is not among those verses,these are also dependable evidence to demonstrate that Women in Islam were not highly regarded,let alone being equal as men...

Thank you Vuk for posting the verses.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Women have boobies.

[Condell]

really looking forward to reading some of the female members' replies on this topic

[removeduser_487563287433]

really looking forward to reading some of the female members' replies on this topic

I'm the only female member.

[Condell]

I'm the only female member.

do you have bewbs?

[removeduser_487563287433]

do you have bewbs?

Well I noticed in the shower today they're definately getting bigger. It's because I'm home, there's food everywhere and I spend all day sitting on my arse.

[LoZz]

Well I noticed in the shower today they're definately getting bigger. It's because I'm home, there's food everywhere and I spend all day sitting on my arse.

join the club

the problem with equality among the sexes is that it only goes one way.

take wimbledon, the women want equal pay with the men, now thats fine, their is no reason why they shouldnt have equal pay provideing they put in the same level of work and effort. men play 5 sets, women only play 3. now why should they play less but get the same pay? it would be like two "equals" getting the same end of day pay even though one did 3 hours more then the other.

i mean its little injustices like that, their not major things, their not huge injustices but its things like that which dont do ether side any favours.

its the courts which are the only problem when it comes to equality. women always get the kids, the only time they dont is if they really cant look after them. with the man the slighest fault will do. i mean its good thing they are still allowed to see the kids every other weekend or we would have even more trouble with the lack of male role models in kids lives. and from what ive seen assualt of a women gets harsher punishments then assult of a man even though the persons gender shouldnt play a role as they are equal.


my view of feminists is that they want equality only when it suits them. thankfully though i belive feminism has "peaked" and it wont get any worse. most women are not feminists and as more and more women are brought up in a world were women are equal less and less women will see less of a need for feminism and just give it up. most feminists today are already moaning about stuff that isnt true, they moaned about equality, they got it and now they dont know what to moan about.

women themselves are already turning there back on feminism, there is a big anti feminist movement. give it 50 years and they will be nothing.

[hsimoorb]

I agree Rahl. In Islam, men and women are equal, but not the same. They have different roles based upon what they were meant to do by God, feminism goes against this idea and insists that men and women are the same, when it is in fact, not true. Men and women may be equal, but they are not the same.

Yeah, don't you all understand how men and women are separate but equal?

[Kennylz]

Hey, I've provoked the talk of large breasts. My thread wasn't a failure.

[Zodiac]

They porbably doom themselves a bit. Also yes, woman have Boobs and not grotesque man-boobs like most everyone has. Also do women outnumber men in the world?

[jankren]

Also do women outnumber men in the world?

Logically they should since there are considerable amount of men dying due to wars in every corner of the world every year.