Kipçak Hanliği (the Cumans)

[SicilianVespers]

Cuman Units


Cuman Nobles (WIP)



I still have to add lamellar to the UG, and I am not too happy with the discs on the mail right now.


I'll post more when I have time.


[EDIT]

Updates:

Cuman Noble Cavalry



Pecheneg Cavalry



Cuman Horse Archers



Cuman Infantry


Vlach Javelinmen

[Butcher]

They're nice :-) . Last edits before version 2.1 will be released?

[Dreadking]

The mounted men look nice. However, have you thought of re-skinning/modelling the horses/ horse armour somehow? Its just too much like the Arab/Turk/Byzantine generals to me.

[SicilianVespers]

The mounted men look nice. However, have you thought of re-skinning/modelling the horses/ horse armour somehow? Its just too much like the Arab/Turk/Byzantine generals to me.

I will take care of the mounts after the riders are finished. I just need to find some good pictures.

They're nice :-) . Last edits before version 2.1 will be released?

Yes, I decided to make the Cumans a proper faction, rather than renaming the Mongols. I prefer that the Mongols still emerge to take on the Cumans.

So far, I have created these new units for the Cumans:

Cuman Nobles
Cuman Heavy Archers
Cuman Horse Archers
Pecheneg Cavalry
Vlach Javelinmen

I will probably make dismounted versions of the cavalry units as well.

In addition, they will also get the non Mongol units, from the Mongol roster.

[Dreadking]

I will take care of the mounts after the riders are finished. I just need to find some good pictures.

Thats great You'll have to forgive me if i appear a jerk. I have no idea how much time or effort it takes to mod or the difficulty involved. The riders look great however.

[nobel]

ah makes me laugh every time i read the faction name.
looks good tho, the riders look pretty
im with Dread on the horses tho. dont take that badly as i adore(long time) this mod

[SicilianVespers]

ah makes me laugh every time i read the faction name.

It's Arabic, I guess it means Desert/plains of the Qipchaqs.

looks good tho, the riders look pretty
im with Dread on the horses tho. dont take that badly as i adore(long time) this mod

I'm not offended The horse was just a carry-over from the EDU entry I used to create the unit.

[Ermeni]

It's Arabic, I guess it means Desert/plains of the Qipchaqs.

in the very arabic influenced kurdish dialect i know ----- desht = steppe

the steppe of the qipchaqs.....

good news that you made them a proper faction

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

I like your thinking SV, looking forward as usual.

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Cuman Units


Cuman Nobles (WIP)



I still have to add lamellar to the UG, and I am not too happy with the discs on the mail right now.


I'll post more when I have time.

Nice Picture,

But Desht-i Qipchaq ( Faction ) Name ??

Golden Horde was the Real Faction Name and Not Desht-i Qipchaq
By Golden Horde was Mostly Qipchaq's People and Qipchaq's People is Tatars people


Although Genghis Khan recognized Jochi as his son, his parentage was always in question, as his mother Börte, Genghis Khan's wife, had been captured and he was born shortly after her return. During the lifetime of Genghis, this issue was public knowledge but it was taboo to publicly discuss it. Still, it drove a wedge between Jochi and his father; just before Jochi's death, he and Genghis almost fought a civil war because of Jochi's sullen refusal to join in military campaigns. Jochi also was given only 4,000 Mongol soldiers to carve out his own Khanate. Jochi's son Batu got most of his soldiers by recruiting amongst the Turkic people he defeated, mostly Kipchak Turks. Batu was later instrumental in setting the house of his uncle Ögedei aside in favor of the house of Tolui, his other uncle.
After Jochi and Genghis died, Jochi's lands were divided between Batu and his older brother Orda. Orda's White Horde ruled the lands roughly between the Volga river and Lake Balkhash, while Batu's Golden Horde ruled the lands west of the Volga.
When Batu and his son Sartak died, Batu's brother Berke inherited the Golden Horde. Berke was not inclined to unity with his cousins in the Mongol family, making war on Hulagu Khan, though Berke officially recognized the Khanate of China as his overlord—in theory only. In fact, Berke was an independent ruler by then. Fortunately for Europe, Berke did not share Batu's interest in conquering it.

The people of the Golden Horde were a mixture of Turks and Mongols. The Horde was gradually Turkified and lost its Mongol identity, while the descendants of Batu's original Mongol warriors constituted the upper class of the society. Most of the Horde's population were Kipchaks, Bulgar Tatars, Kyrghyz, Khwarezmians, and other Turkic peoples.


Kipchaks (also spelled as Kypchaks, Qipchaqs, Qypchaqs) (Crimean Tatar: Qıpçaq, Karachay-Balkar: Къыпчакъ, Uzbek: Qipchoq, Қипчоқ, Kazakh: Қыпшақ, Kumyk: Къыпчакъ, Kyrgyz: Кыпчак, Nogai: Кыпчак, Chinese: 欽察/钦察, Qīnchá, Turkish: Kıpçak) were an ancient Turkic people, first mentioned in the historical chronicles of Central Asia in the 1st millennium BC. The western Kipchaks were known as Cumans (Kuman, Kuns) in Western Europe and Polovtsy (Polovtsians) in Russia and Ukraine, or by other names, most of which have the meaning "pale", or "sallow". Their language was also known as Kipchak.

Kipchaks were a confederation of pastoralists and warriors of Turkic origin who lived in yurts (movable tents), known in Russian as Polovtsi, coming from the region of the River Irtysh. Some tribes of the Kipchak confederation probably originated near the Chinese borders and, after having moved into western Siberia by the 9th century, migrated further west into the trans-Volga region (now western Kazakstan).
They occupied a vast, sprawling territory in the Eurasian steppe, stretching from north of the Aral Sea westward to the region north of the Black Sea (now in Ukraine and southwestern Russia) and founded a nomadic state (Desht-i Qipchaq). They invaded the territory of Moldavia, Wallachia and part of Transylvania in the 11th century, and from there they continued their plundering of the Byzantine Empire and the Kingdom of Hungary.
In the late 11th and early 12th centuries they became involved in various conflicts with the Byzantines, Kievan Rus, the Hungarians, and the Pechenegs, allying themselves with one or the other side at different times. In 1089, they were defeated by Ladislaus I of Hungary, again by Prince of Rus Vladimir Monomakh in the 12th century, and finally crushed by the Mongols in 1241. After the breakup of the Mongol empire, the Kipchaks became the part of the khanate comprising present-day Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan, called the Golden Horde, the westernmost division of the Mongol empire.
The Kuman, or western Kipchak tribes, fled to Hungary, and some of their warriors became mercenaries for the Latincrusaders and the Byzantines. Members of the Bahri dynasty, the first dynasty of Mamelukes in Egypt, were Kipchaks, one of the most prominent examples being Sultan Baybars, born in Solhat, Crimea.


The Kipchak spoke a Turkic language whose most important surviving record is the Codex Cumanicus, a late 13th-century dictionary of words in Kipchak and Latin. The presence in Egypt of Turkic-speaking Mamluks also stimulated the compilation of Kipchak-Arabic dictionaries and grammars that are important in the study of several old Turkic languages.


The modern Northwestern Turkic languages are named after the Kipchaks. Some of the descendants of the Kipchaks are now known as Siberian Tatars, Nogays, Kazakhs, Tatars (partly), Crimean Tatars (partly), Karachays (partly), Krymchaks, Karaims (partly), Kumyks (partly).
According to some accounts, Kipchaks have somewhat descended into modern Kyrgyz and Kazakh ethnic populations.
Kipchak is also the name of a Kazakhtribe within modern-day Kazakhstan. Kipchak is also the name of a Kyrghyztribe within modern-day Kyrghyzstan.
There is also a village named 'Kipchak' existent in Crimea.
The word "kypchak" is found in traditional Oghuz Turks Khan Epics.

[Zephrelial]

I realized that it seems you have successfully remodeled and implemented new meshes particularly for this unit,as obviously these masks are distinctive compared to of Czar's guard which is uses the sole mesh of any mask in vanilla mtw2.

My sincerest congratulations my friend,Cumans and Kypchaks were just overlooked with a single unit of cuman horse archers in the vanilla.Featuring Desht-i Kypchak is a proper and a wise choice to enrichen the factions.

One question though:Were you able to find enough source on the net or elsewhere regarding the banners and symbols for the faction? I ask this because this might be a problem since I searched a lot for virtual material and source about the faction but to no avail.

[SicilianVespers]

I realized that it seems you have successfully remodeled and implemented new meshes particularly for this unit,as obviously these masks are distinctive compared to of Czar's guard which is uses the sole mesh of any mask in vanilla mtw2.

My sincerest congratulations my friend,Cumans and Kypchaks were just overlooked with a single unit of cuman horse archers in the vanilla.Featuring Desht-i Kypchak is a proper and a wise choice to enrichen the factions.

One question though:Were you able to find enough source on the net or elsewhere regarding the banners and symbols for the faction? I ask this because this might be a problem since I searched a lot for virtual material and source about the faction but to no avail.

Thanks, I am having a very hard time finding sources for a Cuman CoA, or banners. I am planning to use a Turul as the faction symbol.

[EDIT]

So far, I have made (modified) new models for:

Dismounted Mailed Knights (with kite shield)
Vlach Javelinmen (as Vlach peasants but with Javelin and oval shield)
Cuman Nobles
Cuman Heavy Archers

@Boztorgai_Khan
Would you happen to have any information on Cuman/Qipchaq CoA or banners?

[SicilianVespers]

Here is the latest version of the Cuman Nobles:

[Konstantin Alexander]

They are awesome. You are quite the graphic-wiz. Especially the horse armour looks very good and distinguishes them from other eastern cavalry. Great Job!

I just got a small, so very small critic. Have a look at the guy on the extreme right. I don´t know how to say this, without sounding kinky, but these two round things on his breast, that are made of plate, shouldn´t they be a tad bigger? In the moment ...ermm...what vital organs do they protect? His over sensitive nipples?
I´m so tempted to make a screenshot and give him a bikini with paint!

Just kidding. The nobles look impressive.

[SicilianVespers]

They are awesome. You are quite the graphic-wiz. Especially the horse armour looks very good and distinguishes them from other eastern cavalry. Great Job!

I just got a small, so very small critic. Have a look at the guy on the extreme right. I don´t know how to say this, without sounding kinky, but these two round things on his breast, that are made of plate, shouldn´t they be a tad bigger? In the moment ...ermm...what vital organs do they protect? His over sensitive nipples?
I´m so tempted to make a screenshot and give him a bikini with paint!


Just kidding. The nobles look impressive.

I can't take credit for the horse armor. That is Disgruntled Goat's work,he gave me permission to use his Byzantine textures in SV.

I agree about the discs. I am going to redo that whole harness/disc part. I think I placed them lower because they were folding under the arms.

The current lance is too western, so changed it to a more spear-like lance.

[Konstantin Alexander]

Whoever made it, the horse armour looks great.

If i am not mistaken, and Boztorgai might know it better, the common lance type used by pechegens and kypchaks (don´t sue me, i have no idea which spelling i should use) was, what the romans called "Contus". A spear-like lance that was used with both hands. Sadly we have no animation that could represent the two-handed use on horseback.
It is interesting, though, that many paintings of St. George depict him while using his lance two handed from horseback. Although he is wearing european armour, this style of fighting evidently was brought by the nomad tribes into europe, where the byzantines first adopted it in their clibinarii and kataphracti. (Who both represent the heavy armoured types of the general term "Contarii") I am not sure though, if this style of lancing was still used in medieval times.

http://www.aisthesis.de/wbock/bilder/4-11ge.jpg

http://www.stiftskirche-tuebingen.de...ie/10.htm2.jpg


EDIT:
Perhaps i shouldn´t do this. You know, SV, that i always appreciated your work
...but...
Sorry, i couldn´t help it...silliness was taking control.

Attachment 4009

[SicilianVespers]

EDIT:
Perhaps i shouldn´t do this. You know, SV, that i always appreciated your work
...but...
Sorry, i couldn´t help it...silliness was taking control.

Attachment 4009

You know, that is exactly what I was thinking when I started making them. How do I do this without making it look like he is wearing an armoured bikini??

Funny

[Armatus]

I can't take credit for the horse armor. That is Disgruntled Goat's work,he gave me permission to use his Byzantine textures in SV.

I agree about the discs. I am going to redo that whole harness/disc part. I think I placed them lower because they were folding under the arms.

The current lance is too western, so changed it to a more spear-like lance.

you should talk to Horsearcher, he might know something about it. He says his is a descendant of the Cumans!

[Drtad]

@Konstantin: The Kontos was used by cataphracts in antiquity, and they might be used by the Byzantine ones in game.

[SicilianVespers]

Here's another update:




This time with long spears, and larger shields.

What do you think ?