far more better then Medieval 2 TW

**Celestial_92** · July 04, 2007, 02:07 PM

Hi DaVinci, I really like to thank you for making such a great mod for RTW. I like everything about it: the units, the reallism, the flagbearers. I'm following your project since the release of version 0.5, but I never signed up here. I found your mod even better then M2TW (it seems like it is unfinished when it came out, passive AI and other bugs, and what a size of patch 1.2!).

I really hope that you'll continue to develop this mod on RTW, not M2TW. It's just in my opinion the best game to design Chivalry on and it will also reach more people, as you don't need a really fast computer to play RTW on. Please develop High and Late Era on RTW, because it's so much better.

regards,

Celestial_92

**DaVinci** · July 04, 2007, 02:43 PM

Welcome and thanks a lot for the compliments, but the flowers should go to all (former and current) ChivTW mod team members

**Kennylz** · July 04, 2007, 06:21 PM

I've said it many times, but I'll say it again. Lovely mod.

**thoscme** · July 06, 2007, 03:33 PM

i can agree with some points, but i feel i have to disagree with some..

the medieval feel is greater, the map is greater, the cities look greater, some units look greater, the factions are greater and so forth.

but in M2TW i kinda like the sieges better.. because of the improved graphics i mean. the units have different armour, faces, shields.. the city/castle opportunity.. crusades.. and some more stuff

i am not trying to say CTW is a bad mod, it is by far the greatest mod i have ever played, but i kinda like the new stuff in M2TW, and that is the only reason why i am playing it..!

but, i am missing CTW! beeing away from her in 2 weeks is kinda hard.. i am looking forward coming home to my own PC, and own some more of those bloody turks in my Kingdom of France campaign

**Garnier** · July 06, 2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by thoscme

but in M2TW i kinda like the sieges better.. because of the improved graphics i mean. the units have different armour, faces, shields.. the city/castle opportunity.. crusades.. and some more stuff

I agree that the sieges are better, and the cities/castles look awesome, though they really are way too big for the amount of troops in them. I also like the religion part of M2TW, but unfortunately its not that well implemented.

The city/castle part is bad imo. It's cool, but the AI doesn't handle it right.
And crusades... well crusades are pretty stupid in M2TW.

**drak10687** · July 06, 2007, 04:37 PM

I haven't played M2TW much yet, though I've had it for a while... every time I try to play it, I get pretty bored, not like when I first got RTW... of course, I don't play any other games that much either, except for MP, but I just enjoy the modding more. But I finally got about 35-40 turns into M2, playing H/H, and I stopped because I took Jerusalem on my first crusade, with a full stack, while there was only 1 unit garrisoned there, and I didn't feel like I've accomplished anything special... maybe I should play some mods or something, I'm just kinda waiting for the Sicilian Vespers to come out, as their army script sounds really interesting, and they'll have several other mods incorporated in there...

**DaVinci** · July 06, 2007, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by drak10687

I haven't played M2TW much yet, though I've had it for a while... every time I try to play it, I get pretty bored, not like when I first got RTW... of course, I don't play any other games that much either, except for MP, but I just enjoy the modding more. But I finally got about 35-40 turns into M2, playing H/H, and I stopped because I took Jerusalem on my first crusade, with a full stack, while there was only 1 unit garrisoned there, and I didn't feel like I've accomplished anything special... maybe I should play some mods or something, I'm just kinda waiting for the Sicilian Vespers to come out, as their army script sounds really interesting, and they'll have several other mods incorporated in there...

... and because it is made by ChivTW modders

... i also joined SV to give it a bit ChivTW touch and feel for upcoming future SV versions. One can understand them also as the M2 Chiv successor.

Well, comparing Chiv and M2, we had such a thread already on SCC, Drak will remember.
ChivTW, a mod started in 2005, has had to work out such a big amount of stuff, to create a medieval world on the RTW world, alone in this regard, there is no comparison between the two games.
ChivTW was/is rather the try to make a kind of Medieval1 on the RTW engine.
Naturally we can't compare the graphics quality and all that finished medieval content of Medieval2, that comes already with M2 vanilla.
The judgement is complete subjective ... a personal taste. And as well, Chiv has just the advantage that it is playable with non-super-upgraded computers.
But all in all, i agree with Drak's comment, M2 vanilla is pretty boring compared to ChivTW.

EDIT: Btw., a TW site moderator contacted me already in the middle of last year, they took the ChivTW link plus the mod description on their forum ... and i wouldn't wonder, if not some M2 devs played Chivalry and took some things of our mod as reference

... also, i guess some M2 mods are influenced through the Chiv mod design, as i guess that some of the M2 modders played Chiv before M2 was out.

**warluster** · July 06, 2007, 09:05 PM

Well said DaVinci

btw, I like the sieges in M2, but my comp always lags! Ah!!!!

I like CTW because:
get to choose your faction heir (Good RP'ing elements there!) Factions are more resarched and detailed, map is good, its fun!

I like M2 because:
It has awesome graphics, new elements impossible to put into RTW.

I'm not comparing, just... telling

**Celestial_92** · July 10, 2007, 10:07 AM

So what will happen after the release of CivTW v1.0? are you going to continue developping the high and late era for RTW, or start to create Chiv2TW on M2TW?

**drak10687** · July 10, 2007, 01:59 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure that little to no development will continue on CTW for RTW. As far as M2TW, well, DaVinci is already helping out a mod started by a former CTW dev. I cannot speak for the rest, but myself, I might end up helping some M2TW mod as well, as I see little point in starting any more mods than there are already.

**DaVinci** · July 10, 2007, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by drak10687

Well, I'm pretty sure that little to no development will continue on CTW for RTW. As far as M2TW, well, DaVinci is already helping out a mod started by a former CTW dev. I cannot speak for the rest, but myself, I might end up helping some M2TW mod as well, as I see little point in starting any more mods than there are already.

He's right, it is high unprobable, that there will be other ChivTW campaigns, than the then final released Early Era.

Drak, i will take you with to SV if you want to join this (if ChivTW 1.0 is out) ... there, if you want, you could for example develop flag bearer units

**drak10687** · July 10, 2007, 11:06 PM

Yes, that would be something to think about, though I would be a lot more tempted to mod M2TW if someone released a script or plug-in that would allow the modeling to be done in 3ds max.

**Celestial_92** · July 17, 2007, 08:13 AM

He's right, it is high unprobable, that there will be other ChivTW campaigns, than the then final released Early Era.

That's a shame, for I wish to see knights covered in plate armour crushing the enemy on the RTW engine

. I think you have your reasons for doing this. I've seen the High/Late Era sneakpeaks and it looked really nice. Would you be able to make a small mod featuring a few nations, just for custom battles? I don't have to play a campaign, but I wish that I can fight in the late era at at least.

**drak10687** · July 17, 2007, 11:44 AM

We would, unfortunately we do not have any of that material in our possession, as the modeler/skinner off all those units (Dirty Peasant) had a problem with his computer, and lost all the texture files for them... after which he did not wish to do any more RTW modding. That is one of the reasons behind our non-continuation of work after the early era is complete.

**nectar** · July 17, 2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by drak10687

We would, unfortunately we do not have any of that material in our possession, as the modeler/skinner off all those units (Dirty Peasant) had a problem with his computer, and lost all the texture files for them... after which he did not wish to do any more RTW modding. That is one of the reasons behind our non-continuation of work after the early era is complete.

and if someone could get a good moder and an historical researcher for the mod would the development of the mod continues ?

**DaVinci** · July 17, 2007, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by nectar

and if someone could get a good moder and an historical researcher for the mod would the development of the mod continues ?

... clever question ... if the Early Era 1.0 campaign is released, then we will internal discuss such things.

**nectar** · July 17, 2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by DaVinci

... clever question ... if the Early Era 1.0 campaign is released, then we will internal discuss such things.

great that make me happy

**Celestial_92** · July 18, 2007, 10:04 AM

Maybe create a poll to find out what people want: Chiv2 TW for M2TW, or continue creating High and Late Era for RTW

**Shadow_Imperator** · July 18, 2007, 12:03 PM

Late era will be unfeasable..
IF the mod were to push on past early. In my eyes, I can only see an early/high Chiv mod being made, there isn't neither the resources nor the time to make a full conversion for RTW. Already it is a bit late, and plus the faction slots just aren't there to include the likes of the Ottomans, the Mongols/Golden Horde, The Burgundians, The Portuguese, The Bulgarians, The Serbians, The Venetians/Milanese and a host of other nations that really need to be included to bring about, the true feel of an entire and fully encompassing modification...

1081 to 1321/1361... Now that is a little more feasible, including early and high era units and factions... This is not a view of the mod, I am only a mod/advisor for the Byzantium sub-mod, this doesn't endorse anything said by Davinci, Drak, Atterdag or any other person involved with Chivalry. This is just the way I see it after having followed this mod for over two years, and myself partaking in a sub-mod... Being realistic here...

Chivalry is great, without doubt. It has become workable and a great achievement by all involved considering it's scope, depth and ambitious goals... However, like all things, CTW also has an expiry date, and with MTWII only becoming more popular and with CA bringing out more fixes and an expansion... Really, all modifications for RTW will find their days numbered...