Spanish provincial setup

**Scona** · July 02, 2007, 05:42 PM

I've been pushing around the Castilians in Spain and think there may be room for a change to the provinces there. Basically I think that the game would benefit with at least 2-3 extra areas between the Moors and Castilians in the area of the rivers. Also 1 extra province in the Northeast corner of Spain, and another in the Southeast corner of Portugal. A big problem in the original MTW was one faction or the other steam rolling all opposition in Spain within 10 years; whereas the Reconquista was a very slow advance over some 300 years. The new areas I have suggested could all be brought in as "rebels" forcing both sides to spend time sequiring the borders before pushing onwards against their foes.

**drak10687** · July 02, 2007, 10:08 PM

Well, I'm sure DaVinci will answer eventually in his own way... but just to clear things up in the meanwhile, do you find that its the AI that is able to steamroll through Spain, or just you? ...if its just you, what difficulty level are you playing on?

Besides that, there are several other things that might need to be taken into account (before I go over these, I would just like you to know that I am much more experienced in modeling/texturing than history or game-play, and that the following is really off the top of my head, so yo may be right, and I may be wrong):
first of all, the research for this mod was done quite before me or any of the current team members where there... so there have been many revisions before, as well as after the map was made. In the end, not everyone will be satisfied, so map change requests can go on forever.

next, you must also consider the overall balance of the map... there are probably many many regions which could use more provinces to extend and ameliorate gameplay/realism, but there is only so many we can add, and part of the goal is to make and unbiased representation of these times focusing equally on all regions.

finally, we have, and most likely will only make the early era... which significantly shortens game time... so playing on vh/vh, I would not be too surprised if the AI finishes it's goals before you, or you all run out of time...

Anyways, just things to keep in mind....

**Scona** · July 03, 2007, 12:39 AM

Actually my suggestion is simply based on the relative density of provincial areas in Spain compared to other zones, in this case the Balkan and Anatolian areas. I think the population density was comparable between this area and Spain, so the case could be made for some more Spanish provinces. As for game play, no signs of a "steam roller" have yet appeared, but I note that there is no intermediate castle point between Toledo and Cordoba; and historically the control of this zone was disputed for decades.

If the problem is a "maxing out" of available provincial slots in the engine then I simply live within my means.

**DaVinci** · July 03, 2007, 06:20 AM

The possible regions-number is already maxed out for the Chiv map. I tried it in Italy, and i wasn't able to insert a new province.

**Shadow_Imperator** · July 03, 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by DaVinci

The possible regions-number is already maxed out for the Chiv map. I tried it in Italy, and i wasn't able to insert a new province.

Well at least this has been confirmed, I ran into trouble with the Chiv/Sub mod.... I might have to sacrifice a few provinces here and there...

**Uranos** · July 03, 2007, 01:13 PM

Sure you can add new provinces and lots of them - in fact those days i'm helping my friend in adding 14-15 new provinces for his own custom version of Chiv.

**DaVinci** · July 03, 2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Uranos

Sure you can add new provinces and lots of them - in fact those days i'm helping my friend in adding 14-15 new provinces for his own custom version of Chiv.

Aha, here speaks the map master ... well, i wasn't able to add a region in Italy many months ago (but it wasn't really a necessary change) and couldn't find any mistake, however i didn't investigate it further ...
I don't think we'll add/change still regions for the official ChivTW, but anybody is free to make his personal custom maps

**Shadow_Imperator** · July 03, 2007, 09:29 PM

Really, I was trying to make a few new provinces....

Ripensia - Between Bulgaria and Serbia with the Settlement called 'Nassius'.
Hellas - I renamed the Athenian province 'Attica' and made the new settlement of Hellas, Larissa.

Same problem as Dav....

**Uranos** · July 04, 2007, 01:02 PM

@ Shadow_Imperator
Could you send me the files you have changed, and i'll tell you what's wrong. Or at least upload map_regions.tga and tell me the faction ownership of the provinces.

**Shadow_Imperator** · July 04, 2007, 09:58 PM

It is a part of the Byzantium TW project...
I no longer have those files, but as soon as I get back into my modding... I'll be sure to do 'exactly' what I did before....

I'm taking some R&R from the Byz TW submod for a while, once I get my computer fixed, (in about a month) I'll be back in full swing... I'll be sure to let you know, and if you could help me, I'd be super appreciative!