formation problem

**Legionary_Pullo** · July 01, 2007, 09:13 AM

good evening guys,

i wanted to submit a problem with the marius formations.

i use the house rule legion, the problem is that in the earlier versions all the legionnaries used to be in the front and all spearmen auxillia to the back with the general but in this version they are placed to the left in every battle and this makes it annoying to change formations everytime before battle.

can somebody help me fix it?

thanks.

**el_dude** · July 01, 2007, 12:56 PM

yeah i mentioned this once, but there's no way to get around it, you just have to reorganize the formations by hand (which will make the battles even longer since it means you're sitting there for about 5 minutes (sometimes more) clicking and dragging units all over the place before you can even start fighting)

**Legionary_Pullo** · July 01, 2007, 01:00 PM

but why was it changed because we never had this problem in the prevoius versions.

**Teodosio** · July 01, 2007, 02:47 PM

Hello Pullo, I modified the marian formation so that spear auxilia are now at the first cohort's sides (4th line); sword auxilia can take the same places of legionary cohorts too. I can post the file if you want.

**Garnier** · July 01, 2007, 04:19 PM

Post it, I want to check it out.

**Teodosio** · July 01, 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Garnier

Post it, I want to check it out.

Sure Garnier, I'd like to have your comments

Try it with a marian legion with 3-4 spear auxilia and some sword auxilia instead of legionary cohorts. I did some minor changes to cavalry too. Let me know what you think

P.S. This only affects human player formation, AI behavour is unchanged.

**Garnier** · July 01, 2007, 06:27 PM

I tried it, but it screwed up my initial formation.

Anyway, I found a better solution. Click the special formations button and use the one on the lower left.

**jegui** · July 01, 2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Legionary_Pullo

good evening guys,

i wanted to submit a problem with the marius formations.

i use the house rule legion, the problem is that in the earlier versions all the legionnaries used to be in the front and all spearmen auxillia to the back with the general but in this version they are placed to the left in every battle and this makes it annoying to change formations everytime before battle.

can somebody help me fix it?

thanks.

This is not a problem but how Sinuhet's formations have been set up since SPQR 6.0 I think ;-) He preferred the inital formation with auxilia in the first rank unfortunately.

The solution is to Group all units ('G') and press 'SHIFT+2' for pre-marian legions or 'SHIFT+5' for post-marian legions... you will have all legionnaries in the front and auxilia/triari in the back... hope it helps

**Legionary_Pullo** · July 01, 2007, 11:14 PM

thanks jegui and teodosio.

and come to think of it when we r talking about formations the ther day i was watching the bbc video on boudicca's revolt and i found the roman wedge formation to be aweome, has anybody tried making a wedge formation for rtw?

**lt1956** · July 02, 2007, 12:44 AM

You cant all of this was talked about in the early days of RTW modding and we couldnt do it, we even tried using the horse wedge formation which caused a CTD. lol I liked the Boudicca DVD also, which is part of my collection from the history channel. ;-)

BTW Not all the formations in SPQR are for one period, example is I had him make some of the formations for Premarius legions and some for Postmarius. So the buttons will work for one army and look like crap for the other.

**Legionary_Pullo** · July 02, 2007, 01:42 AM

ave, LT1956

can u name your collection for me please so that i may think of updating mine.

i have the following few:
1. Decisive battles - Pharsalus.
2. Discovery channel ancient warriors - the Legions of Rome.
3.Moments in time - Letters from the roman front.
4.Battlefield Britain - Boudicca's revolt.
5.TTC -Great battles of the ancient world.

**lt1956** · July 02, 2007, 10:50 AM

checkerboard is for Post marius units. lol

I didnt design or really use the formations, they are there for those who use them. There is a wonderful CA bug that causes units or legions NOT to listen to you when they are in formation. lol so I usually manual setup all the time. ;-)

**Garnier** · July 02, 2007, 10:53 AM

What I do, is make the formation that way, put the spearmen on the flanks, the javelin men behind the legionaries. Then ungroup and then regroup. Now when you move them, they move properly.

**Teodosio** · July 02, 2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by lt1956

I didnt design or really use the formations, they are there for those who use them. There is a wonderful CA bug that causes units or legions NOT to listen to you when they are in formation. lol so I usually manual setup all the time. ;-)

Originally Posted by Garnier

What I do, is make the formation that way, put the spearmen on the flanks, the javelin men behind the legionaries. Then ungroup and then regroup. Now when you move them, they move properly.

Eheh I cannot bother in placing the units manually, this was the reason I didn't use roman formations in vanilla: it took too much time to deploy the units and that spoiled all the fun!
One of the best thing of SPQR is the human formations: at last I can use pre-marian and [post-]marian formations and actually enjoy doing so!

When I saw the new formations I understood they could be modded, so I changed them to suit my needs; I moved cavalry, sword auxilia and spear auxilia, and now I can play at ease without ever placing units manually