I don't Understand some of these changes

**gs00z21** · June 27, 2007, 08:32 PM

For example...knights don't have the "well armored" trait anymore like in vanilla. Milan's elite cavalry the famle whatever...are a lot worse than they are in vanilla. In vanilla they are better than chivalric cavalry but not in your mod. I just don't understand why changes like that were made...i've been playing your mod for soo long I forgot what the game is actually like lol

**ImKyleJames** · June 27, 2007, 10:36 PM

it's this whole belief that the Calvary units are too powerful. Perhaps true, but perhaps it should be. As long as the gameplay continues to be top-notch, i don't care.

**Lusted** · June 28, 2007, 03:03 AM

Units only get the well armoured trait if their armour value is above a certain amount. The global - 2 reduction to armour and +2 boost to shields puts more emphasis on rear and flanking charges as units are now weaker from the rear.

**gs00z21** · June 28, 2007, 05:08 AM

that makes sense but in the vanilla version...milan's elite cavallry have better stamina than chivalric knights and in 2.3 i don't think they have any stamina...kinda makes them useless...not to mention their stats are worse also. I decided to look into this stuff because i noticed norman knights have the same stats as feudal knights and i thought norman knights were supposed to be reall good infantry.. I found out it's the same in vanilla though...they just ain't that great

**Lusted** · June 28, 2007, 05:31 AM

Well Familia Ducale(sp) have a heavier mount so will tire quickly, BUT the heavier mount gives their charges more impact and more devestating.

And yes Norman Knights/Feudal Knights have simialr stats, but have different mounts.

**Arksa** · June 28, 2007, 06:28 AM

lol. Just looked at your use profile Lusted and it says that your birthday is 28 of June...Happy birthday then!

EDIT: How likely is that? I for the first time look at your profile and it's your birthday

. 1/365...

**gs00z21** · June 28, 2007, 10:28 AM

Familia Ducale with your mod have the same charge as chivalric knights and neither have the "powerful charge" trait. Sry about bugging you lol it just kinda makes me mad when their cavalry are supposed to be good and they really aren't as good as i feel familia ducale should be

**Lusted** · June 28, 2007, 10:40 AM

Familia Ducale with your mod have the same charge as chivalric knights and neither have the "powerful charge" trait. Sry about bugging you lol it just kinda makes me mad when their cavalry are supposed to be good and they really aren't as good as i feel familia ducale should be

If you read my post again:

Well Familia Ducale(sp) have a heavier mount so will tire quickly, BUT the heavier mount gives their charges more impact and more devestating.

The mount is seperate from the unit attack and charge values and yet it can have a big influence on the charge. If i can recall correctly armoured horses have a mass of 4/4.5 comapred to 3.5 for the barded horses used by chivalric knights. That .5/1 difference in mass makes a big difference in the charge.

**gs00z21** · June 28, 2007, 08:22 PM

So basically what you are telling me is...there are units in the game that are better than they seem because there are factors involved with how good they are other than their stats?? ...interesting...

**gs00z21** · June 29, 2007, 12:26 AM

1 Last thing....why don't france have their french mounted archers?? and their dismounted counterparts?? i also don't think they have their mounted noble knights.
Personally i think they should have never of put units in custom battles that are not in the campaign because then i think i have something I like and then I go into the campaign and I never get it. Although the french thing i think is your doing lol but CA put men at arms/broken lances/chivalric knights everywhere and alot of those factions don't even get them...not to mention gothic knights.

**Sonny WiFiHr** · June 29, 2007, 12:43 AM

I put back France units in Garnier mod.Next week I will try to put back all missing units, just tell me what units are missing.

**Uandwhosearmy** · June 29, 2007, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by gs00z21

1 Last thing....why don't france have their french mounted archers?? and their dismounted counterparts?? i also don't think they have their mounted noble knights.
Personally i think they should have never of put units in custom battles that are not in the campaign because then i think i have something I like and then I go into the campaign and I never get it. Although the french thing i think is your doing lol but CA put men at arms/broken lances/chivalric knights everywhere and alot of those factions don't even get them...not to mention gothic knights.

I believe Lusted removed the french units equipped with longbows simply because they never utilized that weapon.

**Lusted** · June 29, 2007, 03:09 AM

So basically what you are telling me is...there are units in the game that are better than they seem because there are factors involved with how good they are other than their stats?? ...interesting...

Yes.

1 Last thing....why don't france have their french mounted archers?? and their dismounted counterparts?? i also don't think they have their mounted noble knights.

Well firing longbows from horseback is infact impossible, and i don't think France needs the dismounted version.

And i think the Noble Knights are missing in 2.3 but should be in 3.0.